How would the game change if: Bounces counted

[Lohman446]

In an effort to encourage discussion I have decided that sometimes questions are the best way to do it. So I put this out to you, how different would the game be if, since the beginning, the rules stated that bounces counted. I hear the immediate idea "how would you know if anyone is out" my thoughts are that there is a logical argument that has some support that says with todays "wiping" which appears to be rampant, at least in peoples minds, that this may not be much different. Thoughts?


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[warbeak2099]

I don't think it would make a difference since refs wouldn't be able to tell and most players wouldn't call themselves. I don't ever call myself out in a tourny even if I have paint on me. I always leave it to the ref to check. Which begs me to ask the question, is this ideology of "I'm not out unless the ref calls me out" ok? I'm not going against the rules am I? I mean, I leave it to the ref to make the call.

[Lohman446]

I don't think it would make a difference since refs wouldn't be able to tell and most players wouldn't call themselves. I don't ever call myself out in a tourny even if I have paint on me. I always leave it to the ref to check. Which begs me to ask the question, is this ideology of "I'm not out unless the ref calls me out" ok? I'm not going against the rules am I? I mean, I leave it to the ref to make the call.

The rules clearly state that it is the players responsibility to immediatly verify any hits and the only non obvious hits are to the back of the pack. Any ref who actually enforced the rules as they are written would pull 1-1 if you came by him with paint on that was not from a hit he observed. The rules are clear on this, any "muddying" of them is an attempt to justify cheating. Unless you didn't know this, at which point now you do.

[JimmyBeam]

dont rely too much on refs. ive seen alot give a homefield advantage call to the regulars at the field over and over. happens to us at our home field too. do i condone it? no.....does it happen? yea

[shartley]

If bounces counted, we would have Airsoft just with larger projectiles.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

There'd be no reason not to play Airsoft instead. It's cheaper, and and you can carry more "ammo".

[SCpoloRicker]

The rules clearly state that it is the players responsibility to immediatly verify any hits and the only non obvious hits are to the back of the pack. Any ref who actually enforced the rules as they are written would pull 1-1 if you came by him with paint on that was not from a hit he observed. The rules are clear on this, any "muddying" of them is an attempt to justify cheating. Unless you didn't know this, at which point now you do.

Odd, it seems most "tourney" players I have met, or observed in PB videos don't follow your interpretation of the rules. I had thought "play till you're pulled" was the new standard.

/like your definition, won't play with those who don't follow it :)

[wimag]

So I put this out to you, how different would the game be if, since the beginning, the rules stated that bounces counted. ?______________________________

it would suck. that took alot of thought

[Lohman446]

Odd, it seems most "tourney" players I have met, or observed in PB videos don't follow your interpretation of the rules. I had thought "play till you're pulled" was the new standard.

/like your definition, won't play with those who don't follow it :)

Standard maybe... but rule as defined in writing by the PSP and NPPL - definetly not.

[Meph]

"I'm not out unless the ref calls me out" ok? I'm not going against the rules am I?

Actually you would be. Please read on...

Fron 2005 NPPL Official Rule Book
17. Marked with Paint
17.01 Marked with Paint. A player will be eliminated if such player is marked with paint. ...
17.02 Obvious Hits. Players who are hit in an obvious location are expected to
immediately signal their elimination by announcing “HIT” or “OUT” at the time of such elimination.

18. Illegal Activities
18.01 Playing-On. A player that continues to play after being marked with paint is
Playing-On.

So as you can see it is indeed VERY wrong to not only play on with hits. But also to not call yourself out instead of the "it's the ref's job to call me out" bull.

[Lohman446]

it would suck. that took alot of thought

Why? Don't beleive for a moment that your unsupported opinion means anything to most of us. Why? I'm curious.

[Fallout-]

People would shoot more consistant reballs and then we could use riffiling and spinning(other than flatline wich already woorks)barrles!
Also paint would cost 2 or three times as much because it is now a durabole good.

[vonort]

Most scenarios make it that any hit during night play is an elimination. There are no paintchecks. Of course this puts a lot on the honor of the players. Unfortanately during night play you get a lot of playing through and acting like it didn't hit you. So even scenarios have the dis honorable players amongst us.

With the current attitude of not calling ones self out even when there is an obvious break on said self. The idea of calling yourself out on a bounce would never go. Personally I don't have a problem with it. And there have been numerous times I have walked off the feild to find that the hits did not break. Oh well.. the guy had me dead to rights anyways.

[Vendetta]

Bounces count in night play in scenerios.

[hitech]

If that had been the rule originally we might have a very different sport. There is evidence that it can work. Rumor has it that airsoft players do call themselves out. Night play in at least some scenario games requires you to call yourself out on bounces. It's too bad that a rule intended to make things fair failed to accomplish its goal, and may have even hurt it in the long run.

I don't agree that paintball would be the same as airsoft. There are currently more differences than counting bounces as eliminations.



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