How would the game change if: Bounces counted

[slade]

...there would be one more way to cheat?

if from the start bounces counted, it would be a complete honor system. it would work for rec play (woods or speed), but once competitive play came around (I.E. tournaments) it would be too hard for refs to make calls. unless you change the entire basis of humanity, refs would be unable to see when a player is hit (if its a bounce) and the player would play on. eventually, as with ramping except to a higher extent, the rules would be changed to make bounces not count.

[Maggot6]

If everyone respected eachother, and weren't idiots and greedy tourny players, which I would love but is impossible, I would love that idea. The only "downside" to your idea is that when your running, get shot in the pack and don't notice, and it bounces, then how would ANYone know?

And if your idea was true, reballs would have been out So long ago,,

[yakitori]

if you were to count bounces, we might as well be wearing a harness, and a headstrap w/ LED sensors on it, and the guns could shoot lasers. When you are hit, the light will blink rapidly. That way it will be very easy to tell if you got hit, bounce or not.

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[drg]

People would shoot more consistant reballs and then we could use riffiling and spinning(other than flatline wich already woorks)barrles!
Also paint would cost 2 or three times as much because it is now a durabole good.

Building on this idea ... there would definitely have to be a new way of regulating the manufacture of paintballs, as without the necessity of breaking, there would be nothing to stop someone from making a colored ball of solid gelatin (or plastic), which would fly further and straighter than any paint-filled ball. I think we would also see a transition away from the .68 caliber ball, which was adopted, AFAIK, because it broke more reliably than .62 or any other smaller size.

That said, I am pretty sure there are already some guidelines for paintball manufacture to keep a manufacturer from making, for example, fill mixed with metal dust to get mass way up. As far as I know that kind of thing is only used for riot control.

[FromTheBack]

If bounces counted...I would be getting a lot more kills off break .

[Puckz]

The refs aren't on the field to pull everyone when they are hit. They are there for the times when you can't check yourself or there is too much action happening to check yourself. They are also there to make judgement in a who-shot-who first situation. General rule is that if you can check yourself without having to make your self open to get shot again you should.

[Lohman446]

If bounces counted...I would be getting a lot more kills off break .

Kinda of what I was looking for, and what would happen then, how would this influence the game?

[TheTramp]

The sales of ridiculously padded headbands and bounce creating Dye clothes would flatline and then where would we be? I bet that even the sales of pink guns would suffer. It would be the end of paintball!

[hitech]

there would be nothing to stop someone from making a colored ball of solid gelatin (or plastic), which would fly further and straighter than any paint-filled ball.

It wouldn't make any difference. Tom tested such "paint"balls (nylon spheres). They did NOT fly any straighter or farther.

The problem is not the liquid fill, but the shape (round) and weight (or lack thereof).

[Meph]

For night play....

Have a room devoted to only having a ton of UV black lights, and glow-in-the-dark paintballs. Not the shell but the paint itself is what gets charged. People can pre-determine the paint they want to buy before game begins. Regular and night paint. So they can come here when night begins and get their paint. Charges lasting 8+ hours should be longenough.


With night you can tell when somebody wipes due to paint mysteriously disappearing. And bounces no longer have to count at night since you can see the hits.

Could work for indoor play too if you dim the lights and put on some UV lights intead. Every round a tracer round, boy that game would just kill your eyes!


Of course this is just a random brainstorm. Not really sure if possible/practical.

[Miscue]

Imagine if you were not out until you got hit on a target on your back.

[68magOwner]

whoa.....hitech has a sig


anyway, counting bounces would be stupid, nuff said

[gc82000]

I would be out every game I try to play front. And a lot of ppl will get out right off the break.

[rabidchihauhau]

not exactly on topic but...

lots of discussion here about 'playing on', the players responsibility to check for obvious hits, calling themselves, etc.

The quote from the NPPL rulebook is accurate - but it doesn't address the real issue which is that my interpretation of "obvious" may not be your interpretation of obvious.

As a player who had a hit on his lens (during a tournament) that was "obvious" and visible to referees and opponents alike, but not visible at all from inside the mask, I can honestly attest to having been in a situation where my obvious was LITERALLY not everyone else's obvious - and that without bending or 'graying' the rules.

The hit itself was mostly on the visor and the border area above the lens; some paint was actually on the lens itself, but all of it was on the area of the lens which was obscured by the black adhesive line used to connect the two panels in an anti-fog lens.

I managed to avoid a beating by having the referee put the goggles on (this all took place continuously, so there was no opportunity for me to 'doctor' things) and the ref had to turn to the absolutely (and understandably) IRATE opposing players and state that he couldn't believe it, but that no paint was visible from inside the goggles.

Now we move on.

When you are running and trying to bunker someone, it is not possible to check impacts, keep moving and stay in the game; some players ignore hits entirely, others wait to check until they have completed their move, while still others will try and give a quickl 'glance' and, if they don't see anything, keep on playing.

This falls into an area I call 'giving oneself the benefit of the doubt' (you have to because the ref sure isn't and neither will your opponents): you did your due diligence by 'lookiing', you saw nothing, therefore its ok to keep playing.

That's one reason why the culture of playing on has perpetuated itself; add to that the fact of tournament play that if you do stop to check (really stop and really check) you'll be toast before you've even had a chance to really look.

Finally, the 'balance' of the penalty versus the benefit of the infraction: in most game circumstances, losing an additional player is a small price to pay for an advantageous field position or an additional elimination.

All of these factors combine to create a situation in which there is little or no actual penalty for continuing to play - and until the rules change, I don't see any method that will alter that.

[SlartyBartFast]

The quote from the NPPL rulebook is accurate - but it doesn't address the real issue which is that my interpretation of "obvious" may not be your interpretation of obvious.

Firstly: Your interpretation and my interpretation are worthless. Only the Ref's interpretation is important.

If the rule is unclear, and the ref makes a decision, the rule about arguing with refs or disobeying them certainly isn't unclear.

Secondly: The NPPL and PSP rulesbooks clearly define what is obvious and Unobvious for the sake of rules interpretation.

Thirdly: Whether the miss of an "obvious hit" (as defined by the rulebook) is physically obvious and perceptable to you, the player, or not or whether you are otherwise concsiously aware of it or not is meaningless.

The rules define obvious, the rules define your required behaviour, the rules give a penalty for not following it. When the rule is unclear, or the situation is unclear, the rules state which official has the final word.

Are the rules difficult to follow? Are they "Unfair" because you were unaware of your infraction? Tough. The rules draw a line and sometimes you fall on the wrong side of the line.

But, in paintball no officials have the backbone to enforce and apply the rules.