Hammerhead barrels, and their lies!

[Arson51]

I got by back from D-day yesterday and when i woke up this morning the conversation i had with a co-creator of the hammerhead barrel was fresh on my mind. He was talking to a customer and claimed that the short 8 inch hammerhead was just as accurate as the 12 inch model except that the 8" had less range. I instantly cut in and was like "You are full of it, a ball exiting a 8'' barrel at 300fps will go the exact same distance as one from a 12''!"

he was quick to answer "NO you are wrong i went to engeneering school blah blah....the longer barrel has more distance to accelerate the ball thus it has more inertia! blah blah blah Thats why a tiny bullet can kill some one because of inertia!"

I was confused by his strange use of inertia which I thought was just mass and velocity.... by this time the customer was scared off by the sudden show of nerdyness and I was left saying "Uh Ill get back to you" I tried so hard to get my phone and computer hooked up so i could ask the chat room but it didnt work so i went 3 days not knowing whether Ii or represenative was the true hammerhead.

[p8ntball365]

Inertia is Objects in motion stay in motion unless acted upon by another force. I just finished a commoon assessment in science (yeah last period) about Newton's three laws of motion and using them with a car accident. So maybe there is less friction in an 8 inch barrel, thus making the paintball travel faster. What that has to do with accuracy is beyond me.

[SlartyBartFast]

Doesn't matter how long something accelerates.

Also, it's not inertia. It's kinetic energy that does the damage. That's mass times velocity squared.

Short vs. long barrel is a question of efficiency.

[Korrosion]

I have also had the hammerhead guys try to lie to me. I asked him if he had knowledge that Newton did not, then I walked away.

[Archangel Zer0]

The Hammerhead guys are full of it. It's probably the worst barrel I've ever shot. I wrote a review over on pbreview on it and rated it a 1 out of 10. They flat out lie regarding the accuracy, distance increase, and self cleaning abilities of the barrel. The Hammerhead doesn't even compare to any barrel kit I've shot, and their reps are full of it.

What irritates me is the actual lying regarding the abilities of their equipment. The Tippmann flatline may be inaccurate as all hell, but they don't make the claim of being accurate. They hype the distance increase. Most other paintball manufacturers hype their equipment. Hammerhead lies. Simple as that.

I bought one of the kits when they first came out, and it was the worst $300 I've ever spent. In fact, it was probably the worst paintball purchase I've ever made.

[Jack & Coke]

he was quick to answer "NO you are wrong i went to engeneering school blah blah...."

You should have asked him if he stayed at a Holiday Inn.

You are correct.

He is wrong.

Although there are many "non gun related" variables which affect "range", it has to more to do with the angle of trajectory and muzzle velocity.

In a controlled test (i.e. perfect identical balls, no cross wind, same angle, same exit velocity, etc.), the "range" of the shots fired between the 8" and 12" will average out about the same.

The most noticable difference between 8" vs 12" (shooting attribute) will be efficiency (shots per tank). You'll get a little more with the 12".

Too bad you didn't ask him what Newton's First Law of Motion is.

[Jack & Coke]

So maybe there is less friction in an 8 inch barrel, thus making the paintball travel faster.

"friction"???

That's kinda funny... the only part touching the ball are the control bores (fins), which are all the same length (2 in.), whether you use an 8" or 12".

[Xadion]

The rifeling of the barrel comes into contact with the paintball- hammerheads have been thrue much R&D about how much spin to put onto the paintball to get it to do what it needs to, to become more accurate and I guess distance. There are certian variables that must be met to have hammerheads proform as they should-

I personaly have had awsome proformance with my set of hammerhead barrels and reccomend them to anyone.

I go into more detail in my review www.teamzt.net/reviews/hhbarrel.htm

[spacedtedybear]

Actually, the rep was right in a way. The 12 inch barrel can shoot 4 inches farther than the 8 inch barrel. Probably the 3 most important things you have to remember about projectiles are

1) A projectile is what it is; a projectile. Once it's in the air, whatever mechanism is used to launch it in the first place has absolutely no bearing on its flight path.

2) Horizontal and vertical components of velocity are independant of one another.

3) The only external forces acting on a projectile is wind resistance, and gravity.

The only exception to this rule would be the flatline barrel. Since my summer vacation just started last week, I don't want to think too much physics right now.

BTW: If someone gets in an technical arguement with you, and the first thing they brag about is their educational credentials, they're either lying, full of themselves, or both. Typically it's the latter.

[shartley]

The rifeling of the barrel comes into contact with the paintball- hammerheads have been thrue much R&D about how much spin to put onto the paintball to get it to do what it needs to, to become more accurate and I guess distance. There are certian variables that must be met to have hammerheads proform as they should-

I personaly have had awsome proformance with my set of hammerhead barrels and reccomend them to anyone.

I go into more detail in my review www.teamzt.net/reviews/hhbarrel.htm

[Creative Mayhem]

HAHAHAHHAHAA

Sounds like a few SP lovers I know, both here on AO and at the local field.

[Dayspring]

You should see his review on his team site...

[shartley]

You should see his review on his team site...

I did read the review. You may have missed me saying so.

[Meph]

He was talking to a customer and claimed that ...... I instantly cut in and was like "You are full of it...... !"

Wow you are a grade A jerk. Congratulations on interfering with somebody's business. It's one thing of a customer asks for an open opinion, but when you rudly butt in with your opinion that nobody asks for...? Who the hell are you to do that to the vendor? Or any company in general?

My opinion of the barrel's performance aside, if the guy is telling the truth or handing out hype.... that is all besides the point. If you had to discuss his false hype then at least have been polite and with enough RESPECT to after the customer's gone. Then start your discussion with him.


I'll make sure to stop by where you work and drive away your customers, to take money out of your pockets. To see if you like it as much as he did.

[SlartyBartFast]

Wow you are a grade A jerk. Congratulations on interfiering with somebody's business.

So I guess you think that there shouldn't be a better business bureau or a consumer protection office then..

Bad business NEED to be interfered with. Snake oil salesmen NEED to be stopped.

If they don't like it, too bad. They have to live with the concequences of the unethical business model they've chosen to persue.