Should Logic Produce an Electro Frame?

[BigEvil]

The point is, to make a frame that you could put what ever you want in it.

DOnt have $150 for a predator board? How about $60 for a t-board?
DOnt want to use a spyder noid? Try Solenoid city.

Get the idea?

Basically, make a blank frame, with a few well placed mounting points. Make it easy to put a switch in, a board, ect.

I think it would be BIG

Not ION big, but maybe ULT big. Im sure he'd have no problems selling them.

[Muzikman]

Difference is that they are making IONs and Spyders by the tens of thousands. They can get price breaks on those kinds of quantity.

Features mean very little. To add an extra jack on to a board or use one processor vs another does not play a big role in the final cost. Even the programming could be done reletivly cheap.

[LudavicoSoldier]

I am NOT talking about a complete electro frame for the mag. More of a DIY frame that can support both mech and electro internals. Something that you could make into an electro if you wanted, with the correct parts. I DO NOT want a finished product.

As BigEvil stated, a blank frame with well placed mount points. To sell it would need to be able to be used with mech internals as well.

[TheTramp]

Exactly. The frame wouldn't cost much more because the only difference is that it's have mouning brackets. You 'd have to get all the other parts yourself.

It's also get around the doom and gloomers who are afraid of getting sued (not that this is trivial).

[SummaryJudgement]

I'd rather see logic do a new body myself. Something that would fit the look of the alpha rail would be real cool. I really like the vert frame, but the only reason I haven't gotten an alpha rail is because I use the logic vert frame on my karta and have a rogue dallara rail on my ule with all rogue parts. If logic had a cool body design, I'd get that plus the alpha so I could have an all logic mag, much like my all rogue mag (almost, thinking about the exile body for the my dallara rail)

[Muzikman]

Correct, but the parts to finish it off are not going to be cheap.

Frame $100
Board: $150
Solenoid: $40
Switch: $10
Sear: $50

That's $350 right there.

[LudavicoSoldier]

Not really looking for the cheapest solution. Rather, I am looking for what you might equate to a mag tinkerers wet dream, an mech frame which can be upgraded to electro without any machining. That way you can decide for yourself what you want in the frame. We have seen quite a few custom electro/pneu mags, but they all required access to machine tools to complete. Don't make me bust out the Dremel, please!

[Muzikman]

I agree. But just about everyone in this thread has also said "don't make it cost $400". I am just pointing out that I don't see anyone making a slap on frame for a Mag for much less.

[LudavicoSoldier]

True, it does not seem to be worth it to sell a slap on frame for less than $400. You could kinda offset the "ouch" factor on you wallet by buying components seperately over a span of time.

[BigEvil]

Correct, but the parts to finish it off are not going to be cheap.

Frame $100
Board: $150
Solenoid: $40
Switch: $10
Sear: $50

That's $350 right there.

$350 is still better than $400, and at least you wouldnt have to wait 2 years to get a finished, working product in your hands.


Besides, you could go the no-frill rout
Logic Frame (Proposed) $130
Spyder frame off of ebay w/tboard $100. you could theoretically swap out the parts
-noid
-cap
-board
-switch

Your mag would already have a sear. I think going the route Centerflag did with the hyperframe in regards to the mag sear would be the way to do it. You take off the pivot and rod.

So, it is may be possible to do it for less than $300 easily if you really wnated to.

If you wanted to put better components in, than you could do that also.

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[Muzikman]

You could, but the frame would have to be made to take specific components or else mounting brackets and holes would not line up.

Also, if you are going to use spyder guts, you have to make sure you are also using the ULT kit as the stock on/off would burn up the noid.

[WingMan13]

Hell, I'd be happy if someone just made a Automag compatible sear that I could just drop into my Spyder frame.

[dolphin1823]

well looking at the poll results so far, it looks like the - "don't have the $" and " no don't make the frame" are together beating the " yes make the frame" people. If this is the case, then I guess there wouldn't be enough intrest in an E-frame to be made by anyone. sad, but true. So this should be the end of this discussion for all time and we can discuss more important matters, like... Are you going to see the Dukes of Hazard Movie?

[LudavicoSoldier]

I would think the ULT would be instrumental in ANY newer electro mag conversion. Why use a big noid if you dont have to?

[CoolHand]

OK, I've got a CAD file that I have been working on, on and off again ever since I started doing Mag parts.

It is an electropneumatic bolt on frame.

Two things have stopped me thus far from releasing it:

1) PTP's patent swooped in just before the announcement the first time, kinda killed my joy on it, but licensing is always an option I suppose.

2) The uber high cost, and not 100% smooth integration of the LPR.

So, my questions to you all are:

Would you pay the $375-$400 that a complete frame would cost? Yes or No. (No maybes allowed).

Would it suit you better to have it come without a board, LPR, VA, etc and be cheaper?

Could you deal with the LPR hanging off the VA and running a gas thru foregrip?

Obviously these would be a limited run, likely less than 50 or so, and they would take some time to be built (hopefully nothing like the DMags now, but you never know, I have been screwed by anodizers in the past, much like Chris has with his machinist).

I will say one thing right now. I am not going to take the crap that Chris is putting up with now. You go into a project like this knowing it may take 6 months or more to get it done, and that it is going to be a pay up front and wait it out kind of deal. No refunds, and no changing your minds half way in. Its just too high dollar of a project to go out of pocket on.

The ball is in your court guys, let me know what you think.