Should Logic Produce an Electro Frame?

[Chris_automag_07]

im in.........cant wait, dont let us down( dont think you will, but i dont want it to end with a teaser)

[CoolHand]

. . . . still curious as to why the snatch, but w/e

I just liked the look.

The thickness up top sorta needs to be there, but it looked funny in the back to just stop it square.

[RoadDawg]

Ah yes, the ever so subtle dig at our build quality, which of course emanates from a minion of "he who shall not be named".

No flame intended here, but you must realize by now that everyone sees what is going on when you guys start this crap.

Take it elsewhere.

Nothing goes out my shop doors that I would not use myself. If something ever sneaks by, the problem is fixed or they get their money back, plain and simple.

And that will be the last word on whether the frame will be "quality" or have good "tolerances" or not.

You know Ryan I don't know what the heck your thinking. I'm trying to give you my input... yet you shut the door on me as if it didn't matter. I give EVERYONE a fair chance and no respect is given until it is earned. I've given you several chances. So far I haven't been impressed with you, or some of your products. Whenever I lend my advice (I give RF plenty of advice as well) you go calling me a minion. Plain and simple if Rogue wanted me to "attack" you or make you look stupid he would do it himself. I need not do this as I have no reason to do so.

My comments about your first 90* frame were valid. It needed a safety plain and simple. If I was to ever buy it and use it at a field nearby it would need one. simply degassing doesn't work. Also if it was to void my warranty or have the possibility of messing up parts of my investment... you better believe I'll have an issue about it. I don't turn a blind eye to the cost of items that I'll have to replace in the future. So yes... Quality & tolerances matter.

As for quality let me point out certain items and circumstances so people can identify with the problems.

Fireblade trigger- Had machine marks all over both sides on a gloss black trigger (Bulldog's). I want a clean look, wasn't impressed.

90* Frame- Owner had to constantly fiddle with his marker because of a frame issue that we never figured out. (threw on a Intelli and it worked flawless *friend not on the board*)

I haven't seen or dealt with your rails so I have no comment on them, but if it voids a warranty or can lead to wearing down of parts... I have an issue with it. It's the thought of knowing that the part your buying won't cause premature wear on items.

You can blame this on your competition all you like but the fact we live in a very large area of SoCal, doesn't mean I'm buddy buddy with him. I know him, yes, but on a business relationship. I've bought items from him because I've never had a shady deal from him. He has EARNED my respect, unlike you. You like to call me a minion but fail to realize that it's your own mistakes that have made me this way. I try to help you but you act tough. Then change it later and call it your own thought (v 1.0 to v 1.1). It's rediculous. Anyways... I'll let this die as this is your thread.

[CoolHand]

Dude, I don't want your respect. I don't need your respect. If I never, ever, get any respect from you, I can still live a full life, and die a happy man. You don't matter to me.

You are one random guy on the internet, who has, BTW, been nothing but an irritation. You don't suggest things, you just *****, and run down my stuff. You have an idea in your head, and nothing is going to change your mind. No matter what I do, it will never be good enough for you, and honestly, I don't care.

If everything I did was as crappy as you portray, do you not think that people (many hundreds by this time) would have noticed and started to talk about it?

So far, the only people who ever consistently say bad things live in a small part of the US, and worship the ground that a certain whoever walks on. That is just a fuzz too much coincidence for me.

Also, tell your friend to look me up (if he still has his frame). I have never heard from him (that I can recall anyway). I can only fix problems that I am actually told about (you know, by people who are actually looking for a solution).

This may look sudden to anyone not familiar with this bunch of doodie heads ( ), but I am sick to death of the nit picking. I'm just taking the "nip it in the bud" stance this time.

EDIT: After having cooled off a bit, I feel I need to clarify something here. Namely the fact that this is not the reaction that anyone who offers criticism will get. I reserve this kind of wrath for those who make it their stock in life to follow my developments, and offer bogus "advice" as a guise for slinging mud. There are only about a half a dozen such people in the world, and nearly all of them frequent AO. You six or eight know who you are, and so does most of the rest of AO. The rest of you guys feel free to offer up whatever you like, good or bad. You six or eight, bugger off.

[RoadDawg]

Dude, I don't want your respect. I don't need your respect. If I never, ever, get any respect from you, I can still live a full life, and die a happy man. You don't matter to me.

You are one random guy on the internet, who has, BTW, been nothing but an irritation. You don't suggest things, you just *****, and run down my stuff. You have an idea in your head, and nothing is going to change your mind. No matter what I do, it will never be good enough for you, and honestly, I don't care.

If everything I did was as crappy as you portray, do you not think that people (many hundreds by this time) would have noticed and started to talk about it?

So far, the only people who ever consistently say bad things live in a small part of the US, and worship the ground that a certain whoever walks on. That is just a fuzz too much coincidence for me.

Also, tell your friend to look me up (if he still has his frame). I have never heard from him (that I can recall anyway). I can only fix problems that I am actually told about (you know, by people who are actually looking for a solution).

This may look sudden to anyone not familiar with this bunch of doodie heads ( ), but I am sick to death of the nit picking. I'm just taking the "nip it in the bud" stance this time.

Did I ever say that ALL your items are crap? NO. I haven't been impressed by what I've seen in person. BTW I think Eatem Alive in NorCal had problems with his mag (coinsedently had your frame on it ) Overall I have no respect for you because of your attitude. You can't and won't accept the criticism or the help. Even when I'm honestly trying to help you out by opening other options. You play it off and call me names. Then make those changes later anyways (90* v 1.0 to 90* v 1.1), when it could have saved you the hassle (and money)in the first place. Which is fine with me because in the end, it tells me and other potential customers more and more about your business practices.

[Chris_automag_07]

can we get back to the thread guys, you can make your own little thread to b**** at coolhand if you want...he shouldnt have to defend himself, your just changing the direction of this thread

[SpecialBlend2786]

So far, the only people who ever consistently say bad things live in a small part of the US, and worship the ground that a certain whoever walks on. That is just a fuzz too much coincidence for me.

I would just like to clarify......

Derek and I live in the same part of the US.

And we both love ya man

[Spartan X]

OK the opinions and data has been presented, RoadDawg you need no longer coment on it, take it to a PM if you wish to continue. If you do, you will be reported to a Mod for Trolling.

Ev en people who make a few things custom can make a little opps every once in a while, the cool thing is that they are willing to worth with you imediatly to get it fixed!



I think it looks great man!

[warbeak2099]

Does look great! I love the Trix grips.

[BigEvil]

Anything I have ever purchased from Coolhand has been flawless. Ryan has many times went well out of his way to answer questions from me, probably at his own detrament. ..And always ending it with "If you need anything else, please let me know sir."

I dont know what anyone's issues are, but it is classless to rant on about them in public. There is a PM system on AO, use it.

Anyway... the frame looks good on cad. Im picturing it looking for real much like the shocker frame you make.

[Muzikman]

hmm...damn, that's just an outline of the frame. I am interested in what fills that frame

[warbeak2099]

I don't think he'd want to give away the internal workings. Just like Jay isn't revealing the inside of the Pneuframe.

[Muzikman]

It was just a joke, trust me, I understand.

[warbeak2099]

Oh, hehe. You have av ery confusing sense of humor

[UTDragun]

I guess there wont be an "upgrade your logic frame" deal? haha that would be sweet for my wallet tho....

id shell 400 for it
err.... i mean my sponsor will