Is AGD going to make it?

[A.T.S]

I love my Mag! And I want it to be supported for the next 20 years! Or... at least be able to buy a new AGD gun for the next 20 years. Is our cult strong enough to keep the beast alive?

[Vex]

[BEGIN RANT]Only if we keep buying AGD. All good things come to an end though--look at WGP. Sure the Cocker is still around, but it's made in Taiwan now. Let's hope that AGD will go under before they ship their "strict production requirements"* to the Chinese to make our beloved Mags!




*I mention this because you always see this disclaimer on tons of so called "quality" products that are made in China. Like the manufacturers think they are fooling us into believing that the Chinese will adhere to their "stirict production requirements"--yeah right![/END RANT]

[Jaan]

[BEGIN RANT]*I mention this because you always see this disclaimer on tons of so called "quality" products that are made in China. Like the manufacturers think they are fooling us into believing that the Chinese will adhere to their "stirict production requirements"--yeah right![/END RANT]

The Chinese get better and better at this stuff each day. Japan went through the same thing, and now look at thier quality. A lot of "American" companies have to have thier entry level stuff made overseas and the higher end stuff made here. That's the only way they can survive.

I wish Automags haden't dissapeared from the mainstream. It wasn't that long ago where maybe what ... 40%? ... of the high end markers you saw in tourneys were 'Mags. The rest were 'Cockers. I guess people want a yearly upgrade path. It broke my heart to see 'Mags dissapear little by little until you hardly see them at all. A kid at a paintball store asked me the other day "is that an old Shocker?" Ugh. AGD could get back that market again, but they're going to have to do something that will surprise us all. We'll see.

[Glickman]

were not gonna take it!

no! we aint gonna take it!



outsourcing is a great thing, but it depends on the product

personally, i think if you hand the japanese 100 mags, within a year, youll see mags getting 2000 shots per fill.

when we've lost our intuitiveness on a product, hand it to the japanese

[Evil Bob]

Actually, you might be surprised, I'm seeing more and more tac 1's showing up at scenario gigs, the guys like the weight, its closer to the weight of a real weapon, something the mil sim crowd is into big time. Rarely do you see a mil simmer complaining about weight especially when they have an extra 5-8 pounds of effects (shrouds, bi-pods, etc) bolted on, that's part and parcel to the mil simulation.

The tourny scene is only a small part of the entire paintball market, just because you dont see alot of mags at tournies doesn't mean they're not selling, we're talking about less then 1% of the entire paintball playing market here, the tip of the pyramid. The pyramid's base is much broader and wider, a better part of the market to shoot for (business economics 101).

-Evil Bob

[peewee]

I'm not going to start wearing black as of yet. I have honestly see more mags at rec-games in the last year than I had in the previous 4.

[Muzikman]

Honestly, AGD needs to make a blowback and a Sheridan based pump. I think if they did that they would take even more of the scenario market. You will never beat Tippmann in this market, but there surely is room for another company.

[UTDragun]

I dont know about tourney pb being only 1%, id say its closer to 15, or at least 10, but if I had the money for a devilmag, id be the only one shooting a mag at CFOA which would be as cool as the other side of the pillow

also, is there a way to attach a warpfeed to a vert feed gun in a way that if something happens, I could just disconnect the T and put hte halo on top?

[JimmyBeam]

well as long as AO doesnt go away........

[BigEvil]

There is a big difference between tourny players and 'wannabee-tourny players"

The actualy tournament players is about 1% of the market....
The Wannabees on the other hand are a much larger percent. They are the ones that buy everything that is hot or trendy. Its smart to go after that market too.

This is also where all of the technical advances come from.

[GoblinGreen]

I think AGD should be on top of this TAG Predator board, If the were selling it as a AGD type product, they could test it, put their stamp of approval on it and market it. Start selling Tac-Ones with a decent board in it and bang!
All the kiddies want to buy markers with all gadgets and dont want to limited at all.
If I wanna put my marker in full auto and show off, let me. Obviously have a tourney lock and ball limiter, but Marketing a terrible for AGD. In SA everybody thinks AGD was closed down by that whole Smart Parts issue. I mean there isn't even one AGD ad in the Face-full or any Magazine for scenario players to even buy a Tac-one.
I will stick to my AGD guns but it feels like they wanna fade away

[CaptainNeeda]

Honestly, AGD needs to make a blowback and a Sheridan based pump

Please tell me that you are kidding about that!

The blow forward system is in almost every way equall to the blow back system

[slade]

ehh, another one of these threads... i dont know which is more common, this or complaints about ramping.

I wish Automags haden't dissapeared from the mainstream. It wasn't that long ago where maybe what ... 40%? ... of the high end markers you saw in tourneys were 'Mags. The rest were 'Cockers. I guess people want a yearly upgrade path. It broke my heart to see 'Mags dissapear little by little until you hardly see them at all. A kid at a paintball store asked me the other day "is that an old Shocker?" Ugh. AGD could get back that market again, but they're going to have to do something that will surprise us all. We'll see.

what store was that? saturday at maynard paintball (great field btw) a kid asked my friend with his really old spyder "is that a minimag?" ive seen a few other mags at different fields, especially boston paintball and fox 4. when i used my mag as my main marker, i always got compliments on it, and the refs knew what it was (although the logic vert frame sometimes threw them a bit off...)

[slade]

The blow forward system is in almost every way equall to the blow back system

agreed. actually, if AGD released a nicer looking and lighter classic, maybe even with an electro frame, that would be a lot better than a blowback. (plus, personally i hate blowbacks...) the pump is a great idea though, pump play is coming back and i think i myself may get in on some of the action.

[Muzikman]

Please tell me that you are kidding about that!

The blow forward system is in almost every way equall to the blow back system

No, I am not kidding. By nature mags do not like CO2. A lot of the rec and big game players still use CO2. Blow Backs do not have this problems and some you can even run a siphon tank on them and they run fine (this is great for cold weather).

I never said the mag design was poor, it's a great design, but it's just not what the rec or big game players use.