I've been wondering about the status of AGD as well. What's going on? What's the production status of the current line of mags, and has there been any hinting of a new marker any time soon? I agree that AGD has to do something drastic and come out with something completely new to shove their way back into the mainstream and stay alive.
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I think AGD should get their sales reps on the phone and try to start selling the Pro-classic to fields as a rental marker. The Pro-classic is many steps above a model 98 or a piranna, easy to maintain, and are reliable. What may really help is to get together with PMI and combine a Pro-classic w/ PMI's 47ci 3000 aluminum nito tanks for the field rentals. Before some says "mags are to expensive for fields to buy" I know that Fox River Games has always rented out Mags, now with nitro tanks. Infact they were renting them out when I first started playing back in the Spring of 1992 (co2 then) and back then Mags were 3 times as much as they are now.Comment
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AGD Sales Rep? They have those? (I'm not joking).
I think that's a great idea, but you would have to run HPA as Mag as a rental with CO2 is ugly. You end up replacing orings every week.
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My local field only has hpa tanks for their model 98 rentals. I think having a compressor and renting only hpa tanks would be a great investment for any field. Correct me if im wrong, but didnt AGD have some 68 classic mags they sold just as rentals?Comment
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Yes, AGD had a rental valve. It had a different power tube and I beleive a lower pressure piston to not allow the gun to shoot hot. I do not know this for sure as I am still looking for a rental valve to add to my collection.Comment
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I don't think everyone here is ready to see a non-agd products. Because they only way AGD would be able to sell something efficently is to sell it to that mass market. Well theres problems with that people don't want a 10 year old gun or a gun based off that even though it does happen. Also I don't think the already in place Mag product base is willing to see a NON-Mag like gun. I can honestly say I"m not, and I bet that the majority of us arent ready to see the mag be shoved away for a new fangeled super design from AGD.
Also I brought up the topic a while ago about the valve itself being pushed more. Can it be made any better than the X-Valve is possible? All IMO.I'll have to take it out to dinner and a movie first. Will it go see AVP?
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Originally posted by Teamslayer76
Well, I don't think it really matters that the majority of us wouldn't buy something new like that...it's that it would appeal to the people who are looking for something high end and haven't been loyal mag owners. Say jimbob is starting big into tournies wants to buy a new electro, so he narrows it down to the DM5, Alias, and Ego....but then he hears about the new gun from AGD, the supermag or whatever...he doesn't know much about AGD except that they made some of the best guns when paintball was in its childhood and teen years, so he decides to give it a try. The point is to keep AGD alive...and to do that, they're going to have to sell something different than mags to people other than us loyal followers. Don't know if that makes sense....
Oh, and I'd definitely consider buying something new from AGD, even if it is nothing like a mag.
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Originally posted by Teamslayer76
I hate to say it, most of the guns sold are based on 10 year old technology. Hell, the cocker is still selling by the tens of thousands (if not more) and it's based on technology dating back to pellet guns made in the 60's.
What AGD needs to go is change the name of the company and change the name of the gun and then re-release the Xmag under a new name and make the reg oval instead of round and I bet it would sell (but would also have to bring the cost down to about $800).Comment
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cockers
I'm not saying that cockers are the best, just that they still have a very large following. Timmies, vikings, DMs, and angels are still "elite" markers...but as far as "volume" goes...cockers, shockers, and ions seem to be everywhere. Maybe I'm wrong...I play primarily woodsball so I don't see too many Angels, vikings, or DMs and I see alot of cockers on store shelves.Originally posted by slade
it seems to me like the "high end" market is taken up more by matrices, timmies, angels, egos, shockers, vikings, etc. than cockers.Comment
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one of the reasons i bought a agd marker because it was made in america i seen to much outsourceing from other companys look at walmart. puts smart parts to shame support america!BACK IN THE GAME.
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I agree with lonewolf001 on this one. ( but I do own an ion) I am looking at buying American made products more & more. The Plamer kids ( anyone having that much fun doing what they do are kids) are going to be earning some of my money. I dont care if my mag is "high-End" or popular it Git's-r-dun!!!!
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I hope AGD doesn't end up having their products made in China. Japan is ok, but I don't buy anything made in a communist country.Comment
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AGD should just go ahead and make a nelson style poppet electropneu. God knows everyone else is. Idea: Balance the poppet and spring it up for use with a big solenoid, and put it in a relatively tiny tube recessed into the frame. Tune it like an mQ, maybe use half an emag battery pack and keep things rechargeable. Go with simple styling, like the ULE body. Tiny and light. And cost effective. Yoink ECS code and compile into a new board. The R&D would be pretty minimal.
Honestly, if AGD could produce a $700 gun with todays technology, who wouldn't buy it?Comment
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why oh why would you want to but Enhanced Cricket Software into an AGD Product? Bad enough its on an Impulse.
AGD's PCB Software can be improved uppon based on the limitations of what ever they design, I'm sure there will be enhanced firing modes as well if these continue to be expected (and they undoubtedly will).
AGD just really needs to do something to changed their image and product line. That means an ad campaign, even if it's the revival of the AGD Lions with their new "Top-o-the-line" marker. Generate some buzz, something, anything.
AGD has long prided itself on being an Engineering company, however its going to take a lot more than just Engineering to rebuild AGD to a common place name like WGP, Bob Long, ICD, Smart Parts, etc.
I don't claim to be an engineer, nor do I claim to know what's going on within AGD. However from the outside looking in AGD seems to be going the way of the Airstar. Though I suppose it's possible that AGD will remain something along the lines of PPS, though PPS has more than just guns to keep them going.
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