Is AGD going to make it?

[Jaan]

what store was that? saturday at maynard paintball (great field btw) a kid asked my friend with his really old spyder "is that a minimag?" ive seen a few other mags at different fields, especially boston paintball and fox 4. when i used my mag as my main marker, i always got compliments on it, and the refs knew what it was (although the logic vert frame sometimes threw them a bit off...)

It was just a 15 year old kid who was in PW Paintball in Plainville. In all fairness, you can't expect a 15 year old to remember what it was like 10 years ago (c: Rest assured, I set him strait and then let him shoot the gun a bit. The young man is now a little wiser. When you can get a jaded teenager to say "wow, this is awesome" it makes you fell pretty good.

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[BEGIN RANT]Only if we keep buying AGD. All good things come to an end though--look at WGP. Sure the Cocker is still around, but it's made in Taiwan now. Let's hope that AGD will go under before they ship their "strict production requirements"* to the Chinese to make our beloved Mags!




*I mention this because you always see this disclaimer on tons of so called "quality" products that are made in China. Like the manufacturers think they are fooling us into believing that the Chinese will adhere to their "stirict production requirements"--yeah right![/END RANT]

Actually, those chinese factories make some extremely good product, in fact, many times they do a much better job than their american counterparts, who cost more.

[Vex]

Actually, those chinese factories make some extremely good product, in fact, many times they do a much better job than their american counterparts, who cost more.

But the problem is, they ARE using cheaper materials and labor, yet they ARE selling the products for the same price. Of course they are making money. I'm sorry, I don't want to pay $1200 for a marker that's made in China--no matter what company name is on it.
It's just sad to see that one of the best selling guns of all time--Autococker--has left American hands. Does that mean that Automags are next? If AGD wants to compete, then maybe they will outsource.
To me, that will be the end of AGD.

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But the problem is, they ARE using cheaper materials and labor, yet they ARE selling the products for the same price. Of course they are making money. I'm sorry, I don't want to pay $1200 for a marker that's made in China--no matter what company name is on it.
It's just sad to see that one of the best selling guns of all time--Autococker--has left American hands. Does that mean that Automags are next? If AGD wants to compete, then maybe they will outsource.
To me, that will be the end of AGD.

More profit there, but no difference in quality if you use the right factories in China, trust me.

[.68bruise]

I played sunday and besides my warped mag I saw another warped mag, an emag, a mini and at least 3 tacs.
I could not belive there were so many mags!
Long live AGD

[A.T.S]

I am just afraid that if AGD goes away, I will not be able to find a reg. seat or bolt springs and my Mag will eventually go down and never get back up! <:o(

[BD_Paintball]

if they do not make a new gun then AGD will die. there are not enough people to keep AGD alive with all the new, cheap(in price) guns comming out.

[Muzikman]

I am just afraid that if AGD goes away, I will not be able to find a reg. seat or bolt springs and my Mag will eventually go down and never get back up! <:o(

Trust me, there are so many mags out there that someone will pick up the production of the parts needed to keep them running.

[Vex]

More profit there, but no difference in quality if you use the right factories in China, trust me.

If there's no difference in quality or price, then why should we support a company that outsources their production if we have a choice?
I don't want to hijack this thread...so I'll just end it here.

[peewee]

The company that I currently work for outsources many of our cast aluminum parts with target incorporated in China. They for the most part have done very well. But I couldn't care less. The new owners are outsourcing our entire product line to Mexico & China. Within the year 475 people that have been an extended family to me for 17 plus years will be without work. I have moved on having a specific skill set & a very large amount of luck. There has been a several cases as of late where the outsourced parts honestly cost more from China than produced local. They still outsourced. Kind of hard to buy the new cheaper China/Mexico produced marker when you don't have a job.

[Aslan]

Sad


If I had to vote...I'd say AGD is probably on the way out. I don't want it to be...I think they make a great product...and I just bought one and will probably buy another one soon...so I'll need parts... But paintball money is made in two ways...low end and high end. With Cockers dominating the high end and the introduction of the Ion (which has MONOPOLIZED every thread here and at pbnation AND everywhere else)...and Tippmann keeping a stranglehold on low-end quality products...I don't see alot of hope. Most markers that challenge Angels and DM5s do it by adding speed to speed to speed...and flashy to flashy. Tippmann is the only one staying away from the "flash and speed"...but that's because they are dominating the low-end market...and they did put out the A5 to at least have a presence in the mid-high end scenario arena.

Of the two paintball stores near me, one doesn't carry Mags...it's primarily a Cocker store. The other one had one Pro Classic for sale and a limited number of Mag parts...but when I went in the guy was practically hitting me over the head with some Impulse or Ion or some stupid black box looking thing. The funny part is the next time I went to the field I saw some stupid nerd kid with the same exact "black box" gun and he went home early because the gun wouldn't fire right. I felt bad because...hey, been there...but I also was a little happy.

[Commissar_Loki]

Well AGD may be able to take the rec or at least tap into it quite well if they can convince people to run a tank vertically. Thats all I use and I'm getting +- roughly 7 FPS with good paint, better than my nitro. So mags on CO2 run fine with a little tweeking. I'd like to be able to pass my marker down to someone when i'm too old and have it run like it was new... only marker I know that can do that is a mag.


-Butch

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With Cockers dominating the high end

it seems to me like the "high end" market is taken up more by matrices, timmies, angels, egos, shockers, vikings, etc. than cockers.

[Lohman446]

With Cockers dominating the high end

Someone needs to send a memo to Dye, BLAST, SP, WDP, and Eclipse. WGP might want to hear this good news too because I think most of the above have been left out of that little bit of insight.

[Muzikman]

Well AGD may be able to take the rec or at least tap into it quite well if they can convince people to run a tank vertically. Thats all I use and I'm getting +- roughly 7 FPS with good paint, better than my nitro. So mags on CO2 run fine with a little tweeking. I'd like to be able to pass my marker down to someone when i'm too old and have it run like it was new... only marker I know that can do that is a mag.


-Butch

I ran my mag off CO2 for many year back in the 90's. For the most part I did not have a problem. But when I did, it sucked. Also, the amount of expansion chambers, remote hose and regulators that the CO2 passed trhough to make the gun work well on CO2 was a bit extreme. By nature mags do not like CO2, but that does not mean you can not get them to work on CO2. Also, the X-valve folks are out of luck as the retro/x-valves can't run on CO2, or atleast safely run on CO2.