Mags are NOT "high end" markers

[Alpha]

Mags are the best mech markers, period.

My mech pneumag(in a few days once my part comes in so I can finish it) will top a lot of electros out there.

Even before it was pneu, I shot (with bounce) to 17bps. With my pneumatic mod done, I want to see if I can shatter that.

[cheddarj06]

i consider high end mags -high end-, but an old pro classic is in no way high end. (doesnt make it a bad marker, just not a high end one).

[WARPED1]

Ive owned and shot many tuned E/X mags. Id shoot an Ion over either one any day.

Me too, but I'm thinking of buildind a Pred Emag as back up to my Ion.

[68magOwner]

bottom line- mags are high quality markers, not high end markers.

~fin~

[WARPED1]

bottom line- mags are high quality markers, not high end markers.

~fin~

I can definately agree with that!

[NoForts4Me]

So, if a Mag is high quality, but not high end, and and ION is better than a Mag, where does an ION fit into the rating scale? Is an ION high end...say, like a Viking? or a Matrix? or a Shocker? Or is any gun that just shoots fast, or shoots faster than another marker high end or high end(er)? I'm somewhat confused, and I know everyone has their own preferences, but IONs don't appear to be high end either, just a decent, fast gun. If speed is the main qualifier, then are Wrath's and BKO's high end as well?

For the record, I don't consider my Classic Mag to be high end. I consider it a highly reliable, well built marker that shoots plenty fast, doesn't chop, and gets the job done. But I don't see how an X-Mag wouldn't be considered high end. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

[buzzboy]

i consider high end mags -high end-, but an old pro classic is in no way high end. (doesnt make it a bad marker, just not a high end one).

A Pro Classic would be a high end low end gun. If you compare it to other lower level mech guns it would be downright fancy. Its not high end over all but compared to the other guns in its level its pretty nice.

[Lohman446]

A Pro Classic would be a high end low end gun. If you compare it to other lower level mech guns it would be downright fancy. Its not high end over all but compared to the other guns in its level its pretty nice.

What makes it fancy?

[peewee]

I'm cool with mags being a "niche" gun. AGD/PPS + "niche"+ in the top 3% for quality. I'm cool with that.

[Pacifist_Farmer]

I'm gonna side with the "niche gun" label

I like to think of markers in terms of cars, most nonpaintballers can therefore appreciate what I'm saying

Matrix/DM5/etc. would be like a Ferrari, amazing on the highway or the race track, but **** on average roads

Ion would be like a mustang, a pretender that can run fast but not made with the same quality or precision as other sports cars

Mags are like Subaru's or Volvos, excellent cars made to last, and every once in a while they get their turn to impress, the key here is that they can perform anywhere you put them, onroad/offroad/racetrack


I wouldn't consider a mag a high end marker, but it is a marker for those of us that understand paintball and see that todays fad is tomorrows trash, I will continue shooting and owning mags, because I know in 10 years my gun will still be just as good as the day I bought it.

[Jaan]

A Pro Classic would be a high end low end gun. If you compare it to other lower level mech guns it would be downright fancy. Its not high end over all but compared to the other guns in its level its pretty nice.

OKay, there are basically two classes of markers these days, mechanical and electronic. I've been trying to think of another mechanical marker that's better than a .68Automag and I can't come up with one. Autocockers are about the same but there's not a big enough improvement to count. Tippmann makes great guns (I have 3 of them) but blow back is still blow back. I upgraded from a VM-68 to a 'Mag back in the day and I've yet to see a blow back gun significantly better than that VM.

[VFX_Fenix]

1)
Alias Intimidator - $990
Shocker w/ Vision - $800
Freestyle - $690
2005 Angel Speed - $900
Proto Matrix - $800
Planet eclipse Ego - $1200
E-Mag from WWA - $850 + Predator II + Cost of adding ACE - $1000+

2) My E-Mag w/ ULE Body, X-Valve, CP 14" Aluminum One-Piece, and CP Rail wiegh more than my friend's '03 Shocker with Q-Lock Feed Neck, 14" All American, Stock Bolt Kit, and Smart Rail (w/e the rail thingy that comes with the Max Flow tank is called), the difference is on the order of a pound.

3) ROF - Not all serries are Enhanced Firing modes to 15bps, some serries still follow the NPPL gun rules and allow unlimited ROFs in true semi. Granted getting much past 15 legally is hard to do for the average Joe, but having boards that have at least 2x your personal Max ROF are better than having one that's less than 25% above your MROF. For me, I'd need a board that was capable of at least 24bps, not because I can pull the trigger at 24bps, but because there's a chance, because of the way PCB software is written, that I'll tap the trigger once durring the refractory period of the firing cycle and the shot is effectively lost. I can't recall the principle behind this, though most people who know anything about the theory behind audio recording/mastering and computer science should. The difference between me shooting my E-Mag (1.37 software ) and shooting an 05 Speed is noticible in the consistnacy of my firing rates, I'm not shooting all that much faster with the Speed but I don't have the obvious skips in my string like I do with a 16bps cap.

4) Kick - Umm... E-Mags have Kick??? I don't notice it if they do, at least not like with my A-5

The Mag is far from the Cutting Edge. The platform hasn't changed in over 12 years. Is it High-End? It's certainly expensive enough to be. Do I use my E-Mag when I go to tournaments? Hell yeah. Have I been laughed off the field for using it? No, I've gotten some questions about what the heck it is and the occational "Mags are Crap" comment but most of the time people are curious about this "relic" from the antiquity of paintball.

An E-Mag is about the most expensive sear-tripper you can buy. The ULE-Automag itself is more expensive than a lot of Autocockers.

High Quality - Yes
High Value - Not realy considering other options out there.
High End - Not in the realm of the tournament scene.

[Mind'sEye]

1)
Alias Intimidator - $990
Shocker w/ Vision - $800
Freestyle - $690
2005 Angel Speed - $900
Proto Matrix - $800
Planet eclipse Ego - $1200
E-Mag from WWA - $850 + Predator II + Cost of adding ACE - $1000+

Good point, though in terms of value, I was refering to the markers such as "high end" Timmys which are 1300+. For cost savings, you can use a mixture of new and used parts to build an Emag rather than purchasing a new one.

2) My E-Mag w/ ULE Body, X-Valve, CP 14" Aluminum One-Piece, and CP Rail wiegh more than my friend's '03 Shocker with Q-Lock Feed Neck, 14" All American, Stock Bolt Kit, and Smart Rail (w/e the rail thingy that comes with the Max Flow tank is called), the difference is on the order of a pound.

Ouch! Do you have ULE lowers and rail? Are you using light stuff from CCM? My Emag is within 8oz. of my Freestyle, one of the lighter ones out there.

The difference between me shooting my E-Mag (1.37 software ) and shooting an 05 Speed is noticible in the consistancy of my firing rates, I'm not shooting all that much faster with the Speed but I don't have the obvious skips in my string like I do with a 16bps cap.

I upgraded from 1.37 to a Predator/Morlock board. I agree that "high end" software makes a HUGE difference.

The Mag is far from the Cutting Edge. The platform hasn't changed in over 12 years. Is it High-End? It's certainly expensive enough to be. Do I use my E-Mag when I go to tournaments? Hell yeah. Have I been laughed off the field for using it? No, I've gotten some questions about what the heck it is and the occational "Mags are Crap" comment but most of the time people are curious about this "relic" from the antiquity of paintball.

Very Cool!

An E-Mag is about the most expensive sear-tripper you can buy. The ULE-Automag itself is more expensive than a lot of Autocockers.

High Quality - Yes
High Value - Not realy considering other options out there.
High End - Not in the realm of the tournament scene.

True enough. Owning an Emag is, perhaps, more an enthusiast's pursuit, yet with the right upgrades it can still hold it's own against anything out there. You won't be seeing any pro teams using Emags because AGD isn't offering any big sponsorships.

[Lohman446]

2) My E-Mag w/ ULE Body, X-Valve, CP 14" Aluminum One-Piece, and CP Rail wiegh more than my friend's '03 Shocker with Q-Lock Feed Neck, 14" All American, Stock Bolt Kit, and Smart Rail (w/e the rail thingy that comes with the Max Flow tank is called), the difference is on the order of a pound.

You're E-mag is under a pound?

[A-Tach-One]

You're E-mag is under a pound?

I believe he is saying his Emag is about a pound heavier than his friends Shocker.