So what new has happened in the last two years?

[Vex]

well,

smart parts sued and almost destroyed AKALMP (vikings and excaliburs) And threatened to sue AGD--hence the reason for no new E/X-Mags
Anyways, JT and ViewLoader are now owned by Brass Eagle; Worrgames is owned by k2 (which also owns Brass Eagle/JT/VL). tippmann, well i don't know who their owned by, but someone bought them (read this:Tippmann Story)

Fixed 'er up a bit!

[shartley]

Fixed 'er up a bit!

You do know that is not true, right?

[Lohman446]

You do know that is not true, right?

No they don't Sam. Despite TK explaining it to everyone once they want to see it this way and so they do. I don't conceive how people can refuse to see what is told them so much, but it happens here. They want to beleive that the E/X - mag demise is due to some great evil, rather than just accept that business issues (cost / profit / etc.) just did not cover the investment and risk it took to make them.

[SCpoloRicker]

Yeah, I've sorta gotten tired of explaining that factoid as well.

[magman007]

Man, get your facts straight, and dont be upset because others can afford dye markers.

well,

smart parts sued and almost destroyed AKALMP (vikings and excaliburs).

DM4/5's are all the rage for 12-16 yearold skaters that think they're sponsored.

15bps isn't fast enough for some reason so people like ryan greenspan resort to cheating and is suspened from PSP for the rest of the season.

most players at fields don't know anything about agd and have probably never heard of the automag or warpfeed. at least at camp pendleton paintball, thats the way it is.

NOTHING NEW AT ALL (hint hint agd) has come out of agds big swinging doors for almost 3 years, since the xmag. you now have the proclassic and tac-1 but its the same ol lady in a different dress.

the only really innovative thing to come out of paintball at all for that matter has probably only been the Q-loader. most of the new stuff is just a remake or update of a previous version.

paintball has actually been a little depressing lately, companies putting so much hype into it makes me sick, and least more hype than usual it seems. and most of the time their hype doesn't even make sense!

anyways, JT is now owned by brass eagle. worrgames is owned by k2. tippmann, well i don't know who their owned by, but someone bought them. aci and system x merged.

kingman still makes a new spyder every month.

for the most part dynasty still dominates just about every event they go to, but they do get beat now and then.

thats about all the news i can think of.

by the way brian68mag, i've been in the marines for a few years now (hence camp pendleton pball field), so if you got any questions at all feel free to pm me.

[rifleman]

Yep, I remember ya--does anyone remember me?

Good thread, I've came around ever so often, but havn't played in a good 3 years.

Adam

[cuttydiamond]

NOTHING NEW AT ALL (hint hint agd) has come out of agds big swinging doors for almost 3 years, since the xmag. you now have the proclassic and tac-1 but its the same ol lady in a different dress.

the only really innovative thing to come out of paintball at all for that matter has probably only been the Q-loader. most of the new stuff is just a remake or update of a previous version.

paintball has actually been a little depressing lately, companies putting so much hype into it makes me sick, and least more hype than usual it seems. and most of the time their hype doesn't even make sense!

If you think paintball is depressing and things are making you sick, quit playing! I am so sick of this type of person who has forgotten that paintball is about having FUN! So companies are getting greedy, name one other industry where the big swinging d***s aren't getting rich off of people by telling them lies. The last time i strapped on a pack and gassed up, it wasn't because i wanted to be something I'm not. It was beacuse I love the game, and trust me it is a GAME!!! Paintball isn't life unless you are sponsered or you support yourself with it, and even then, they don't care what you shoot or how fast, only that you come. Quit complaning that innovation itsn't coming fast enough! If you want a better product, get off your a$$ and make something better! If you can't, give those of us that can a freeking break.

[JoshK]

If you think paintball is depressing and things are making you sick, quit playing! I am so sick of this type of person who has forgotten that paintball is about having FUN! So companies are getting greedy, name one other industry where the big swinging d***s aren't getting rich off of people by telling them lies. The last time i strapped on a pack and gassed up, it wasn't because i wanted to be something I'm not. It was beacuse I love the game, and trust me it is a GAME!!! Paintball isn't life unless you are sponsered or you support yourself with it, and even then, they don't care what you shoot or how fast, only that you come. Quit complaning that innovation itsn't coming fast enough! If you want a better product, get off your a$$ and make something better! If you can't, give those of us that can a freeking break.

That is a lot of tough talk coming from someone with less than 10 posts.

Did he ever say paintball isn't fun? He is griping because the companies are making it semi depressing in his opinion. Also when did he say it makes him sick?

You are getting alittle off topic there bucko...when did he say anything about paintball being life? Neither did he ask your opinions on whether it is a game or not, you will find just as many if not more people that say it is a sport rather than a game...that is a matter of personal beliefs and can't be stated as fact.

I'm glad that you enjoy paintball...I really am. And I agree it isn't life, allthough some people make it that.

He was stating exactly the truth...not complaining about it. The founder of this topic wanted it, and the writer was giving it to him. The only real inventions (in my opinion) were the Q-Loader, and mQ valve...both amazing products.

Also...we on AO don't appreciate your tone. We don't come hear to have people flaming(personal attacks on) other people, and trying to avoid the curse filter. Also you took his words out of context multiple times, and made up things you thought he said.

Please...go. People like YOU make ME sick. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

[Miscue]

Keep it civil... getting close to crossing lines.

[JoshK]

Yes Mr. Miscue.

[Blazestorm]

He was stating exactly the truth...not complaining about it.

I didn't see much truth... I saw biased opinions.

Shut up and play paintball. Accept what it has become because it won't change. You can't bring it back to the glory days (as some of you call it). It will never be that way again. Sorry but it won't. So you can quit playing if you don't like it, but then you claim you enjoy the sport because it's fun. But then what it's becoming isn't fun to you, so you complain.

Paintball is paintball, what it has become will still evolve and change, but it'll never go back.

[SCpoloRicker]

Keep it civil... getting close to crossing lines.

Do you feel lucky, punk? Well, do ya?

[dahoeb]

jeesh,
i didn't realize that i'd cause such a ruckus with that one little sentence.

yes, compared to years ago, paintball has got a little more depressing. i'll go ahead and explain why, before you (blazestorm and cuttydiamond) go pulling out your hair over it.

1. nothing new lately. a few years ago, we had things coming out like old school shockers and angels and warpfeeds and nitrogen and electric hoppers and barrel kits. all kinds of new innovations and technologies that were exciting and making me go "wow, this is amazing stuff". lately, its been, "oh look, a new spinoff. oh how about this, another new spinoff." that ties in with my other comment in in my previous post where i said "no really new innovations have been developed except for the qloader (and mqvalve)."

2. i'm not saying i hate this sport, i'm not saying this sport isn't on the right track. if you read and think about it, i'm saying that paintball technology has leveled out and seemed to reach a plateau and hasn't made any big jumps lately. its not anyones fault. so many of the flaws have been corrected, theres not much else to really innovate for! i'm not saying its the companies fault.

and i really don't appreciate somebody that doesn't even know me, telling me to get out of the sport. you need to calm down cuttydiamond/blazestorm, it sounds like your getting all worked up over this.


3. and yes, all the hype does make me sick. it makes me sick to see that bud orr is toting his walmart autocockers as "the most accurate in the world". its not even that big of a deal to me though. cuttydiamond/blazestorm, a few years back most of the hype going around was simply because nobody knew better; there wasn't enough tests or experiments to disprove the manufacturers claims and theories. but multiple tests have been done and most of the theories have been disproved, like closed bolt accuracy and range.

but just cause i'm not a big fan of certain companies marketing tactics, doesn't mean i don't like the sport or enjoy playing it.

and if you think my original post was bias, well good for you. i was trying to be unbias and i think i did a pretty good job. if you wanna go cry about it go somewhere else to someone that cares.

i never said anything about wanting paintball to change blazestorm, so take your little revolution somewhere else.
all i listed were some recent things that have changed in paintball and you just go buck wild with it and declare that i want paintball to change and to go back to the old way. calm down.

blazestorm, how did you not see much truth? i guess ryan greenspan didn't get suspended for cheating....i guess k2 didn't really buy brasseagle and worrgames, i guess smartparts didn't really almost destroy akalmp. yes, blazestorm, those are all bias opinions, haha, whatever man.

yea, i put in my own 2cents, but i never tried to change anyones beliefs and i never said anyone was wrong. it was pretty clear that those were my own personal feelings and did not reflect anybody elses. get some thicker skin blazestorm/cuttydiamond, thats the only advice i can really give you regarding that.

next time i'll be sure to be 100% politically correct so i don't hurt your feelings.

I am glad and do appreciate that some of you took my post for what it was though. I was just trying to help a brotha out.

[Vex]

No they don't Sam. Despite TK explaining it to everyone once they want to see it this way and so they do. I don't conceive how people can refuse to see what is told them so much, but it happens here. They want to beleive that the E/X - mag demise is due to some great evil, rather than just accept that business issues (cost / profit / etc.) just did not cover the investment and risk it took to make them.

I must have missed that post...

It makes for a better story than simply, "Well, the X-Mag wasn't cost effective..."
Besides, there will always be you to clean up after people and set them straight

[magman007]

jeesh,
i didn't realize that i'd cause such a ruckus with that one little sentence.

yes, compared to years ago, paintball has got a little more depressing. i'll go ahead and explain why, before you (blazestorm and cuttydiamond) go pulling out your hair over it.

1. nothing new lately. a few years ago, we had things coming out like old school shockers and angels and warpfeeds and nitrogen and electric hoppers and barrel kits. all kinds of new innovations and technologies that were exciting and making me go "wow, this is amazing stuff". lately, its been, "oh look, a new spinoff. oh how about this, another new spinoff." that ties in with my other comment in in my previous post where i said "no really new innovations have been developed except for the qloader (and mqvalve)."

2. i'm not saying i hate this sport, i'm not saying this sport isn't on the right track. if you read and think about it, i'm saying that paintball technology has leveled out and seemed to reach a plateau and hasn't made any big jumps lately. its not anyones fault. so many of the flaws have been corrected, theres not much else to really innovate for! i'm not saying its the companies fault.

and i really don't appreciate somebody that doesn't even know me, telling me to get out of the sport. you need to calm down cuttydiamond/blazestorm, it sounds like your getting all worked up over this.


3. and yes, all the hype does make me sick. it makes me sick to see that bud orr is toting his walmart autocockers as "the most accurate in the world". its not even that big of a deal to me though. cuttydiamond/blazestorm, a few years back most of the hype going around was simply because nobody knew better; there wasn't enough tests or experiments to disprove the manufacturers claims and theories. but multiple tests have been done and most of the theories have been disproved, like closed bolt accuracy and range.

but just cause i'm not a big fan of certain companies marketing tactics, doesn't mean i don't like the sport or enjoy playing it.

and if you think my original post was bias, well good for you. i was trying to be unbias and i think i did a pretty good job. if you wanna go cry about it go somewhere else to someone that cares.

i never said anything about wanting paintball to change blazestorm, so take your little revolution somewhere else.
all i listed were some recent things that have changed in paintball and you just go buck wild with it and declare that i want paintball to change and to go back to the old way. calm down.

blazestorm, how did you not see much truth? i guess ryan greenspan didn't get suspended for cheating....i guess k2 didn't really buy brasseagle and worrgames, i guess smartparts didn't really almost destroy akalmp. yes, blazestorm, those are all bias opinions, haha, whatever man.

yea, i put in my own 2cents, but i never tried to change anyones beliefs and i never said anyone was wrong. it was pretty clear that those were my own personal feelings and did not reflect anybody elses. get some thicker skin blazestorm/cuttydiamond, thats the only advice i can really give you regarding that.

next time i'll be sure to be 100% politically correct so i don't hurt your feelings.

I am glad and do appreciate that some of you took my post for what it was though. I was just trying to help a brotha out.

Get over the whole AKA deal, Sp had every right to do what they did, they legaly could, and did. The patent was granted, the patent was enforced. I dont see any one complaining about ICD, who was attacked more than once by sp. So get off your high horse. Paintball has reached a technical plateau for the moment, get over it.