Element Ion Update

[Muzikman]

[Lohman446]

or you just saying that simply becasue its an Ion?

wow.. that's the only Ion I would consider owning (pending I didn't know it was an ion).

looks great! doesn't have that crappy plastic look of ions. looks actually like a well built gun

but yea, its not a mag so it automatically sucks here.

but its not a mag so it automatically gets this response.

ignorance really must be bliss.

That looks awsome, but hey, its still an ion....

Thats the first page... care to guess who turned this inot "you don't like it because its not a mag" fest... Get over it, just because we realize there are flaws to something does not mean we don't appreciate what they are. If you think this is a place where you are going to get slammed only because of what you (and I'll keep you vague) shot or show - and you started this being "about the Ion" go away.... seriously - no bash of the marker, the body (which I don't like), or SP.. this one is all about you and the attitude.

And I think.. without that cut, that marker may end up looking decent... I just really do not like the cut to show off the tube. Maybe Im off, I'm not the prospective market, you asked for opinions you got them, mine is surely not "its an Ion it sucks"/

[Spartan X]

At last SP had made a Disposibale gun! LoL...

I guess a Kit like this is if you plan to keep it..heh.

[JimmyBeam]

Thats the first page... care to guess who turned this inot "you don't like it because its not a mag" fest... Get over it, just because we realize there are flaws to something does not mean we don't appreciate what they are. If you think this is a place where you are going to get slammed only because of what you (and I'll keep you vague) shot or show - and you started this being "about the Ion" go away.... seriously - no bash of the marker, the body (which I don't like), or SP.. this one is all about you and the attitude.

And I think.. without that cut, that marker may end up looking decent... I just really do not like the cut to show off the tube. Maybe Im off, I'm not the prospective market, you asked for opinions you got them, mine is surely not "its an Ion it sucks"/

me and my attitude? hmm.....well if thats all your worried about then this looks like its the end of discussion here.

[Lohman446]

me and my attitude? hmm.....well if thats all your worried about then this looks like its the end of discussion here.

Its the OMG you don't like it.... you must be bigoted against it because its not a mag. Most of us on here can like / dislike things regardless of what it is. Honestly most opinions against this markers cosmetics (I'm no mind reader so I assume) have nothing to do with it being an Ion or non-mag.

I think that this trying to give the idea if someone doesn't like something that was not AGDhey must be bigoted and... thats simply not true. I can not like it because I do not think it flows aesthetically.... And many other people don't like it for reasons that have nothing to do with who made it.

[JimmyBeam]

Its the OMG you don't like it.... you must be bigoted against it because its not a mag. Most of us on here can like / dislike things regardless of what it is. Honestly most opinions against this markers cosmetics (I'm no mind reader so I assume) have nothing to do with it being an Ion or non-mag.

I think that this trying to give the idea if someone doesn't like something that was not AGDhey must be bigoted and... thats simply not true. I can not like it because I do not think it flows aesthetically.... And many other people don't like it for reasons that have nothing to do with who made it.

omg youre as bad as my wife when it comes to trying to get the final word in. ok tell you what.......go ahead and have the last word doesnt make any diference to me.and be sure to take this personally, im not going to loose any sleep over any offense you may think i directed specifically towards you.

:)

[Lohman446]

omg youre as bad as my wife when it comes to trying to get the final word in. ok tell you what.......go ahead and have the last word doesnt make any diference to me.and be sure to take this personally, im not going to loose any sleep over any offense you may think i directed specifically towards you.

:)

I win... E-cool points for me



You know... as much as you annoy me sometimes, I don't put you on the ignore list because you still have valuable contributions, if I have any right to judge

Lots of emoticons make it friendly right?

[Pacifist_Farmer]

This thread went downhill fast, and the "pieces of advice" per "number of posts" ratio is dismal

I would suggest closing this thread and opening a new one for constructive criticism as opposed to personal sniping and syntax debates.

I don't care what kind of gun you like or how many bodies you've designed this place sounds like an elementary school.

Oh and, I still think it looks good...

[JimmyBeam]

I win... E-cool points for me



You know... as much as you annoy me sometimes, I don't put you on the ignore list because you still have valuable contributions, if I have any right to judge

Lots of emoticons make it friendly right?

of course. nothin but friendly conversation to make MOnday go by faster.

you werent like on the debate team back in school were you? like state champ or anything? youre pretty good at this stuff.

actually AO all needs to get together and discuss PB in general over a few pints

[TDonovan]

Looks great, and with how much you've cut out, it should be really light.

Just curious, how white is your white anno? Most I see are normally silver or something, as achieving a near-white color is supposedly tough.

Either way, good luck selling man. You have a good looking product, and for ion owners concerned with the quality of the stock ion's aluminum (and looks) this would be a good thing to get.

[Automaggot68]

While I like the body, I think the cuts intop it are a little too agressive, and I dont like the frame and vert ASA at all.
If I owned an ION, I've probably just buy the body.

While I dont like it as a whole, doesn't mean others wont. Good luck selling those things, guy.

[Paintchucker]

I think that even though JimmyBeam might be a little biased towards the "hatred", being an Emag(x2) and an ION owner, I have noticed it too. And then after Lohman446 goes through his little speal about JimmyBeam being too biased against the ION/SP Naysayers, then SpartanX comes in and pretty much proves JimmyBeam's point!!!! Or atleast, IMHO...

At last SP had made a Disposibale gun! LoL...

I guess a Kit like this is if you plan to keep it..heh.

BTW, I love the frame, but also feel that the cutout doesn't look as good in reality as it did in the CAD drawings...

[paint magnet]

Doesn't look that bad at all. I say function before fashion. . . .

Well, you're entitled to your opinion...but why compromise when you can have both? :)

In a fanboy voice *I dont see why everyone accuses us of hating something because its not AGD. I dont know WHERE in the WORLD someone got that Idea.?*

read the first few posts and you will see. Nobody said your name specifically, but yet you feel the need to defend yourself when some other AOer makes such statements.

AH the irony. It is BEYOND ugly, but it wants to grow up to be a devil mag? Does that mean the devil mag is BEYOND the ion ugly? Or does it mean the Devil mag is ugly? or does it mean that the Ion looks like the devil mag? hmmm. points to ponder.

Right, we hate everything that's not made by AGD. That's why we have an ANGEL forum on a board funded, run by, and about AirGun Designs products.

Would you care to explain to me exactly what I am "trying" to "defend" myself from?

I said it was beyond ugly because in my opinion, it is. I said it looks like it wants to grow up and be a Devil Mag because it looks like someone's hack job impersonation of a Devil Mag, not because I think that Devil Mags are better.

point taken.


but how can you say one is ugly but think the other one is a sexy gun

sure, they operate completely diferent, but are very look very close at the same time

I think that's one of the main reasons...it looks so much like a Devil Mag but it's different, so that it looks like whoever designed it was trying to make an imitation...sort of like the Psycho Ballistics Lightning 'cocker clones and the Dye Reflex / Ultralites.

In any case, whether I like it or not doesn't really matter since I don't plan on buying an Ion anyway. The silver seems to look better though, perhaps it's the contrast between the silver and black. And it really does look better without the Evil parts on there, it just flows a lot better. I'm still not saying that I like it, but it is an improvement over the stock body.

*edit* - Didn't mean to post the pics again.

[Duzzy]

Good post

Enjoy it while it lasts, it doesn't happen very often.

Now to contribute something helpful to the thread can we get a picture with a 45 frame on it? I didn't see one but I think it would help, and a different barrel. I don't mind Evil barrels, but that one doesn't match it well at all IMHO. Good luck at any rate. Thanks.

[onedude36]

vert frames anger me.