Is Agd Going Bankrupt?

[MarkM]

Well I have some very big doubts here.

Two months ago I ordered some much needed parts for my Mag through the Automag-UK online store. Not a word, mail or product since... And believe me I've tried to mail them all; Airgun-UK, Airgun-US etc. No responce whatsoever!

About 6 months ago I got my orders just fine (a little slow only).

Bad thing is I need the parts!!!

I don't want to change to another platform but without parts I cannot use the Mag anymore. This is a sad thing...

Are there some insiders here who can explane this to me?

As you are Dutch the translation is a little of, Who did you order from AGDE or some other site? I cannot find an Automag-UK site listed anywhere. I will actually see the owner of AGDE in about a week-10 days, so if you wish to pm me the order details I will chase it up for you. This is assuming that you have indeed ordered from AGDE. Incidently as pointed out by Muzikman AGDE is now NPS Europe and most all of the energies are being pointed in that direction. The Link for the main AGD shop to the European site was down last time I checked....(checked it again still down)

[Aslan]

The price is an isolated incident. What ballers seem to misunderstand is that. well they want better and better facilities they also want cheaper and cheaper prices. We do not have a paintball "behometh" company yet that can offer, due to immense scale, the best prices and the best facilities. Well not always the case fields prices reflect the type of services and facilities they offer.

Not to hijack the thread with paint cost conversations...but I both agree and disagree with you.

I may be in the minority, but I would rather see good fields with good refs increase their admission fees rather than their paint prices. I would pay an extra $15 a day to play at a better field with better refs. But when the field makes you buy field paint, they sort of "hide" the cost. They say, "Hey, look how cheap it is to play all day at our field!" Then you show up with you gun and a half case of paint you have left over from a previous time you played with friends...and the field says, "Whoaooa... you can't use that! Here, buy a $60-$70 case of this." All the sudden, paintball gets alot more expensive. Now I need to keep two inventories of paint...one inventory that I use in backyard and BYOP field games...one inventory for when I go to a field paint only field. And if I decide to try a scenario game at a different field paint only field...well, there's another inventory. It's just annoying. If you have a good field, charge more money to play there rather than hide the increase in field paint costs.

One field I go to is field paint only...$15 all day, free air/CO2 refills, $60/case for paint. Another is $20/day, BYOP, $10 for air refill. So when I make my decision...if I have some field paint left over from a previous outing...I probably go to the first field. If I don't, I grab a case of decent paint for $35, pay the $20, another $10-$20 in air refills. It ends up about the same...$75-$80 per day. Since field 2 is closer...given gas prices...I might lean towards that field...but field 1 has better refs...so I might lean that way...sort of depends which friends want to play. So for me, it's not as much about the price because $60 isn't "outrageous"...for me it's more about being able to evaluate different paint and not having to carry 2-3 inventories of different paint. The only time the price comes into play is when I have to buy 2 cases of paint...which I rarely if ever would need to do...that usually only happens if I dump a couple pods and hoppers on the ground while I'm showing off my "non-gracefulness".

[11 Bravo]

When it cost the mfg under $15.00 a case delivered - $60, 70 and $80 a case is a rip off.
And in most cases it is.

I can see where a small field with just a few players would have to charge more, but some of these fields that get hundreds of players that are forced to buy the field paint -$70.00 and $80.00 is wrong.

[Lohman446]

When it cost the mfg under $15.00 a case delivered - $60, 70 and $80 a case is a rip off.
And in most cases it is.

I can see where a small field with just a few players would have to charge more, but some of these fields that get hundreds of players that are forced to buy the field paint -$70.00 and $80.00 is wrong.

Just out of curiosity, where does that $15 a case number come from. Not that I'm calling it wrong (though I don't think it accurate, I would not know) I'm just curios where the number comes from.

[11 Bravo]

Just out of curiosity, where does that $15 a case number come from. Not that I'm calling it wrong (though I don't think it accurate, I would not know) I'm just curios where the number comes from.

I would rather not get too specific because I dont want to start any trouble around my location. I live outside of Tampa / St. Petersburg where two of the paintball mfgs are and I have a couple of friends that are involved with both companies.
I am not going to go any farther. Do with it what you want.

[AGD202]

AGD does more government testing anymore, and not so much of making a paintball gun.. at least thats what a person who owns a pro shop told me... i dont know and i dont care though, mags are good guns and will always have their followers like a classic car.

[Muzikman]

The government development is over as far as I know. The end result was the FN303 which didn't end up going to the government but to FN. I am sure they are still making money off of it though. Perfect circle is also still making projectiles as far as I know.

[hipster]

Hey mark M
It is my understanding that AGDE no longer exists
If you need parts you have to go to Airgun.com in the US now

[Lohman446]

I would rather not get too specific because I dont want to start any trouble around my location. I live outside of Tampa / St. Petersburg where two of the paintball mfgs are and I have a couple of friends that are involved with both companies.
I am not going to go any farther. Do with it what you want.

The problem I see with production costs: Does it include just the cost of materials? Does it include labor? Does it include equipment devaluation? Does it include operating overhead (lights, etc)? Does it include loan repayment for capital outlay? Does it include adequate return on investment? There are a lot of things in business that can be changed depending on what factors are taken into consideration.

[11 Bravo]

The problem I see with production costs: Does it include just the cost of materials? Does it include labor? Does it include equipment devaluation? Does it include operating overhead (lights, etc)? Does it include loan repayment for capital outlay? Does it include adequate return on investment? There are a lot of things in business that can be changed depending on what factors are taken into consideration.

That was everything with the exception of shipping. Even if it wasnt, with the number of cases mfg, your above arguments would only add a little to the final cost of making a case of paint. It would easily be divided up with the large numbers of cases. None of your points would justify the large mark up.

The only thing that justifies the large mark up is the fact that we suckers pay it.

[frop]

The government development is over as far as I know. The end result was the FN303 which didn't end up going to the government but to FN. I am sure they are still making money off of it though. Perfect circle is also still making projectiles as far as I know.

It was my understanding that AGD manufactures the valves for the 303, plus I'm also sure they get royalties.

I think the only thing that will kill off AGD anytime soon is if China or someone drops a nuke on Chicago. Even then IDK, TK probably has some sort of uber nuke-shooter-downer dealy there

[scrumpy]

If paint could be sold cheaper, I guarantee you someone would have done it. There is always at least 1 guy in paintball who likes to pee in the swimming pool by offering it lower than anyone else without regard to making a profit

I used to hate it when people peed in pools, but holy urine my eyes have been opened!

[11 Bravo]

I read some where that TK said he still owned AGD but that he had sold all the parts to Zupe (sp). That makes me wonder if Zupe isnt acting as a liquidator. His he just selling off the stock or are they still mfg things. And I hope they are trying to develop a faster firing mechanism.

[Muzikman]

It was my understanding that AGD manufactures the valves for the 303, plus I'm also sure they get royalties.

I think the only thing that will kill off AGD anytime soon is if China or someone drops a nuke on Chicago. Even then IDK, TK probably has some sort of uber nuke-shooter-downer dealy there

They do make the valves, but for as many FN303s that sell, I doubt they have done much more than one run of valves anyway.

There is a picture from a few years ago (I think if was of the X mags) that had a tray of odd looking mag valves in it. Those were the FN valves. As for Royalties I am sure they are getting something or have got something. My point was, the Military R&D is over, so they are back to making paintball gear.

Look familiar? Think it will fit in a mag?

[SCpoloRicker]

The only thing that justifies the large mark up is the fact that we suckers pay it.

Bbbzzzztttt! You are incorrect.