Is Agd Going Bankrupt?

[SlartyBartFast]

And I hope they are trying to develop a faster firing mechanism.

WHY?
Every damn paintball marker on the market fires faster than you can pull the trigger.

The person asking for faster firing rates is the last peron that should be allowed to complain about the cost of paint.

That was everything with the exception of shipping. Even if it wasnt, with the number of cases mfg, your above arguments would only add a little to the final cost of making a case of paint. It would easily be divided up with the large numbers of cases. None of your points would justify the large mark up.

Where do you get your knowledge of paintball manufacture? Final consumer pricing has so many variables and dependencies that your analysis is incredibly simplistic.

The paint sales price has to cover all of the costs of manufacturing, profit for the manufacturer, all the costs of distibuting, profit for the distributor, all the costs of selling it, and the profit of the retailer. Additionally, paint markup has to pay for field equipment and utilities in the case of paint sold at a field.

With so many people in the paint business these days, don't you think competition is about as fierce as it's going to get?

My point was, the Military R&D is over, so they are back to making paintball gear.

TK is still making good money with Perfect Circle. The FN303's need their special ammunition, the pepperballs too.

There is always more money to made selling consumables than hardware...

[Muzikman]

I am sure Tom and who ever else has invested interest in PC and AGD are making money. The question is, are they making money at paintball? I don't see AGD going anywhere, but just how much are they making off the paintball sale?

[Lohman446]

The paint sales price has to cover all of the costs of manufacturing, profit for the manufacturer, all the costs of distibuting, profit for the distributor, all the costs of selling it, and the profit of the retailer. Additionally, paint markup has to pay for field equipment and utilities in the case of paint sold at a field.

And what you, I, and Rogue all seem to have failed to mention to this point is the very real chance of there being a cost of litigation, and the need to be prepared for that cost ahead of time.

[Lohman446]

I am sure Tom and who ever else has invested interest in PC and AGD are making money. The question is, are they making money at paintball? I don't see AGD going anywhere, but just how much are they making off the paintball sale?

This is a good point. Has paintball become such a nuisance (whiney players, poltical tournament series, questionable marketing tactics by competition, etc) to Tom that the profits, if any, are not worth it?

[11 Bravo]

Slartbartfest

In response to your comments about paint mark up I have this to say: "DUH". Read my post again. I was talking about the markup from the mfg. In many cases the paint is going strait from the mfg to the field operator (no middle man) and this is what I was talking about. Of course the more paint is passed from dealer to dealer its going to have to be marked up. Again DUH. There is no excuse for a field operator to have around a 1,000 or more players at an event and charge $80.00 a case no matter what you say. Of course I am talking about when the paint comes strait from the mfg.
Either you are the paintball dealer that I have seen on A5og or you need to give credit for the quote that you stole. And if you are the guy - that quote is old get a new one.
Since you are a dealer I would expect you to defend the high price.
Oh and just to let you all know. I buy quality paint at $25.00 a case. Why would I get it at a loss to the mfg? I wouldnt. Oh and dont ask from who or where because I wont answer- I am not going to mess up a good thing.

Also in my post that you did not completely read or comprehend I did say that I understood why a small field or dealer would have to charge higher prices.
By the length of your post and the number of people that you addressed I would think you came in this morning looking for a fight. So here I epunch you in the face.

[11 Bravo]

For an example of what I am talking about.
Last year at an event of 1,700 people paint sold at $80.00 a case. If every player bought 2 cases that would be $272,000.00 (of course some bought more, some bought less). With the cost to the field owner at $25.00 a case that leaves a profit of $187,000.00 in two days.
That doesnt include the field prices and other costs to the player. This is Robbery no matter what excuse you want to give.
15 years ago when I was playing paint was $75.00 a case. Paint prices should have gone down by now.
The only reason they have not is because we are suckers.

[Lohman446]

[ There is no excuse for a field operator to have around a 1,000 or more players at an event and charge $80.00 a case no matter what you say. .

Good job at being open minded there
What about the events that have high overhead to hire out the producers, have an area that is played on once a year, and need to cover a good share of there costs once a year? What about events that rent out high dollar locations for that one time?

[SCpoloRicker]

Slartbartfest

In response to your comments about paint mark up I have this to say: "DUH". Read my post again. I was talking about the markup from the mfg. In many cases the paint is going strait from the mfg to the field operator (no middle man) and this is what I was talking about. Of course the more paint is passed from dealer to dealer its going to have to be marked up. Again DUH. There is no excuse for a field operator to have around a 1,000 or more players at an event and charge $80.00 a case no matter what you say. Of course I am talking about when the paint comes strait from the mfg.
Either you are the paintball dealer that I have seen on A5og or you need to give credit for the quote that you stole. And if you are the guy - that quote is old get a new one.
Since you are a dealer I would expect you to defend the high price.
Oh and just to let you all know. I buy quality paint at $25.00 a case. Why would I get it at a loss to the mfg? I wouldnt. Oh and dont ask from who or where because I wont answer- I am not going to mess up a good thing.

Also in my post that you did not completely read or comprehend I did say that I understood why a small field or dealer would have to charge higher prices.
By the length of your post and the number of people that you addressed I would think you came in this morning looking for a fight. So here I epunch you in the face.

Bbbzzzztttt! You are incorrect.

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[Lohman446]

For an example of what I am talking about.
Last year at an event of 1,700 people paint sold at $80.00 a case. If every player bought 2 cases that would be $272,000.00 (of course some bought more, some bought less). With the cost to the field owner at $25.00 a case that leaves a profit of $187,000.00 in two days.
That doesnt include the field prices and other costs to the player. This is Robbery no matter what excuse you want to give.
15 years ago when I was playing paint was $75.00 a case. Paint prices should have gone down by now.
The only reason they have not is because we are suckers.

You have ZERO business or accounting experience don't you? I think your post pretty well indicates that one.

Don't like it, don't play.

[11 Bravo]

Um yeah I have my own business and have been very successful. I guess being a telemarketer has made you a business giant huh. Or maybe just a know it all.

And I can afford the prices and more, but I dont have to like it. I know when I am being taken advantage of.

Oh I could be wrong I thought you were a telemarketer what is it that you do that makes you the business giant that you are.

[11 Bravo]

Wheres the mistake in my accounting smart guy.

[Lohman446]

Wheres the mistake in my accounting smart guy.

Counting mark-up as profit with zero consideration of other costs involved in overhead? Its either a simplistic viewpoint that shows no experience or an attempt to inflate your stance through an ignorant statement you hope noone calls you on. I'm still divided on that one.

Telemarketing, interesting. Click on this profile thing and recheck that one. You suck at the interweb man

[SlartyBartFast]

Wheres the mistake in my accounting smart guy.

1,700 people paint sold at$80.00 a case. If every player bought 2 cases that would be $272,000.00 (of course some bought more, some bought less). With the cost to the field owner at $25.00 a case that leaves a profit of $187,000.00 in two days.

15 years ago when I was playing paint was $75.00 a case. Paint prices should have gone down by now.
The only reason they have not is because we are suckers.

[11 Bravo]

I am not going to go on and on about this, this is the last time. We have all made our point. I am talking about the final cost of paint and fields that are open all year long. I would and do understand about one time events that rent out an expensive place, of course then all of the expenses are going to be higher.
And yes everyone around here that I speak to is put off by the high prices at this particular field. I guess in different locations the season can affect the prices also, but here paintball is year round. And yes I understand insurance- I am in the construction business. I understand running a business and paying expenses and paying for all kinds of freeking insurance. Theres nothing you can tell me about that.
And you made my point about you would be a fool to not get the most that you can for a product. They are getting the most that they can and its because we pay it.

But go ahead and defend the prices. Its because of people like you two that the prices will never go down.

Oh and I dont know what kind of PB you play but 2 cases of paint at a 24 hour scenario game is nothing.

[SlartyBartFast]

But go ahead and defend the prices. Its because of people like you two that the prices will never go down.

That's Funny.

You're making the assumption that I play regularly and that when I do I pay a fortune. Wrong on both counts.

And I think you're pretty wrong about the financial windfall you seem to think fields enjoy.

A local Soccerplex charges 200$ per hour for using their field and are booked solid. Paintball has a HUGE overhead compared to soccer. And a paintball field probably doesn't take in near that much.