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  • cledford
    Registered User
    • Feb 2001
    • 1386

    #31
    Cphillip,

    Like I said at the outset of my post -you guys have a tough job. It's easy for all of us to sit back a shoot holes in your logic later having the benefit of 20/20, and/or not knowing the whole story.

    My point regarding the locking of the thread is this - in the case of an ongoing investigation it is proper. By locking the post, it hasn't been removed so the poster can't cry foul/censorship while the investigation is taking place, but at the same time in the case where there is a legitimate beef the poster also isn't vilified for posting their unhappy experience.

    If I were asked for my opinion on the best way to deal with a customer service matter (or psudo as the case dictates), I'd say - Lock the thread with a explanation post to the effect "The is a serious allegation/complaint/accusation by the poster - AGD is initiating an internal investigation to determine the merit of the matter, and taking the appropriate action to resolve the issue. Once the matter is concluded a statement will be issued to all." Then let Tom, or what ever AGD employee who deals with the customer post a reply regarding the matter once it is totally resolved - or you or another mod can get a brain-dump on the situation and post on their behalf. The you guys can unlock/ continue to lock the post as your discretion determines. I think this would provide 3 key wins. First, it would cast the mods in an impartial light. Second, it wouldn't give anyone ever the hint of any type of damage control/cover up. And 3rd, even though you mods are representatives of AGD, the people there who's job it is to deal with customer service matters can do their job unencumbered.

    In the Jon incident, it sounds like the whole thing (as most members speculated) was all BS. AGD (IMHO) stands or falls based on their actions and customer service (or lack there of), it's not the mods responsibility to protect that, it's their job to keep things under control so that they can protect it themselves at the appropriate time. Therefore, even though you were conducting diligent investigation on their behalf the thread became a run away, with tons of posts of all types. If a new user had logged on a read all that stuff, who knows what they might have thought. You really have to read deep into the post before it really starts looking like the guy was a bogus poster.

    OK, on to your other comments.

    Just my opinions - thanks for the dialog. Again, it's easy for me to sit back and make suggestions not knowing the full scope of what you guys deal with.

    Oh, and just for the record - I was not complaining about the temporary locking of a post while a matter is taken care of - my issue was with the deletion of posts that are unfavorable to AGD. (unless they were outright lies)

    -Calvin
    From a poster at PB Nation:

    ""Jim, back to your cave. Bob Long is on the batphone..."

    MY FEEDBACK

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    • Bad Dave
      Meeker than most
      • Nov 2000
      • 200

      #32
      I think a lot of people on AO unwisely forget that AGD need to generate sales, ie rather than keep the minority on AO happy AGD need to sell to the majority. They need to look at sales this year, next year and in 5 years time. Why do u think the angel keeps on changing? to keep you buying.

      It is a very good thing to have people on this board who do not own AGD products, they provide a balanced view which needs to be taken into account as they represent the future.

      I have owned an automag and sold less than two weeks ago a z grip RT. I have owned a warp feed and a flatline, AGD have taken most of the money I have spent on kit. I now own an angel, why? single trigger electro at an affordable price thats why.

      Some more background, two of my ex-teammates now play for Storm UK, AGD europes factory team, I have seen much of the extreme prior to production etc.etc. I used to play on one of the few all mag teams in the UK.

      I think AGD have a winner with the extreme but I am chilled with my playing at the moment a few small tournies and walk ons here and there. Due to this I am not in the market for an extreme quite yet. I finish my degree in 18 months or so but will look into an extreme in the next 6-12 months.
      Bad Dave - Enigma UK

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      • cphilip
        Former Moderator

        • Jun 2026
        • 16216

        #33
        Fair enough Calvin. It was a shame it was posted while Tom was traveling so he could not get more involved in how he would have liked it handled. I do not think any members got totally out of hand or it would have been locked for that. I, in fact, had kind of hoped someone would do so and give me that out. Surprising isn't it? But they never did.

        But I will point out as to the locking or not locking at any given time you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. It's a lose - lose situation as a Moderator to make that call. You may think going your way is better but someone else would complain just as loud about it if I did it your way. I did what I thought best at the time. I could be wrong and if so it was an honest mistake intended to give Angy his time to respond. At that point I could not tell if he could respond by email. When I made the decision to put a time limit into play he had not. At that point I had to leave him a way to respond but know when the end was to be in case it was a hoax. I do not think the way I handled it gave anyone any hint of cover up but no matter what I did someone would claim that. I knew that going in. It's like handling poisonous snakes here sometime. But somebody has to make a call. I was the one initaly on it so it fell to me. I did not relish it at all. I truly was on pins and needles with it the last two days. Still am. The whole thing upset me to no end. I wracked my brains trying to figure out the best course for that one. And I chose the one you see. I think it was the right way to go.

        As to customer service: GO back and look at my comments. All of mine delt with AO rules. All the logic I used was to enfoce AO rulse but to keep in mind that this is a AGD owned site and anything I do could impact them so I must only operate within AO rules. AGD handled the customer service angle themselves. But I am here to enforce AO rules.

        As you will see no one overruled me on it and could have. SO I assume they agreed with my handling of it. Or they were just chicken! In fact I wish someone had taken it off my head really. But....well... I feel I did the right thing. Sorry if some of you do not agree.

        Added on edit: Oh! I forgot to tell you the most important point! Angry did indeed complain that I locked the thread too quick! He didn't like that I only gave him 24 hours from posting to respond! See?
        Last edited by cphilip; 01-25-2002, 10:02 AM.


        AGD, where we are so good we can do it with only ONE tube!

        cphilip.com

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        • cledford
          Registered User
          • Feb 2001
          • 1386

          #34
          Man, you are in a tough position with a difficult issue.

          Whether a person agrees or doesn't with how you handled the matter, you last post shows how much you care about the forum, and how hard you tried to do the "best" thing.

          My hat is off to you for all that you went through dealing with the matter.

          Sorry if it seemed that I don't appreciate the job that you guys do - I was just trying to present some ideas on how things might be done a little differently. Hopefully they won't be seen as criticism, but as a different perspective.

          -Calvin
          From a poster at PB Nation:

          ""Jim, back to your cave. Bob Long is on the batphone..."

          MY FEEDBACK

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          • cphilip
            Former Moderator

            • Jun 2026
            • 16216

            #35
            Actualy your post was very welcome in the end run. It helped clear the air of what I realy was going through and wanted to say. I hope you don't mind being used as the "Devils Advocate" for this.


            AGD, where we are so good we can do it with only ONE tube!

            cphilip.com

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            • cledford
              Registered User
              • Feb 2001
              • 1386

              #36
              Cool - I think that's one of the best reasons for the forum. Take care,

              -Calvin
              From a poster at PB Nation:

              ""Jim, back to your cave. Bob Long is on the batphone..."

              MY FEEDBACK

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              • cphilip
                Former Moderator

                • Jun 2026
                • 16216

                #37
                Thanks Calvin. Your cool with me friend.


                AGD, where we are so good we can do it with only ONE tube!

                cphilip.com

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