Whats the most over rated gun?

[Wizzman]

Everything that uses a battery is over rated.

That and anything that cost $1000...

-Wizz-

[snoopay700]

a CCM S5 is around $300.

Exactly, i am a poor boy. I am lucky hough because the only reason i have an rt now is because i lucked out and got it and an intelliframe and level ten for only 200, oh, and the intelli's hooked up to a revy.

[craltal]

I;m going to have to say Timmy. The only differences between most of them is milling and anno. That doesn't excuse the price tags.

SP is almost as bad with all of the private label Shockers.

[snoopay700]

Banshee23 wins all of teh internets. And I am being completey owned in this thread.

/I don't work for Nextel, the agency has them as a client.

I guess you are, and just for anyone who thinks that cockers or any other gun can shoot farther than any other gun, look at this and you will see you're wrong: http://www.vm68.com/stuff/physics_an...eal_world.html (i know this is dead, but i finally found what i needed, and this is where it came up so i figured i'd rather not make a whole new thread)

[slade]

I guess you are, and just for anyone who thinks that cockers or any other gun can shoot farther than any other gun, look at this and you will see you're wrong: http://www.vm68.com/stuff/physics_an...eal_world.html (i know this is dead, but i finally found what i needed, and this is where it came up so i figured i'd rather not make a whole new thread)

tippmann w/ flatline shoots farther than any other normal barreled gun

do you really think anyone here actually thought cockers shoot farther?

[Aslan]

Ion

Ion.

Why? Imagine if it wasn't Smart Parts that came out with the Ion, but Brass Eagle.

Everybody would be calling it the biggest piece of plastic crap since the Stingray.

Totally agree!

You can't talk about overhype without mentioning the Ion. Mags and Cockers may get undue hype...but at least they are quality products. Angels and Shockers may be overpriced...but they are good guns. The Ion's only redeeming quality, once you get past the hype, is that it's cheap. Ironically, the same arguement used by Brass Eagle..."they aren't the best guns, but the best for the money..." Not to mention Ion owners are annoying in general.

A better poll would be the most "under-rated" gun. I'd vote the Rainmaker. Many people that still use them say they are excellent guns and Brass Eagle never should have stopped that line. On the other hand, I've heard they're higher maintenance than Cockers, constantly breaking...never owned one...so I don't know...just going on "word of mouth."

[FlawleZ]

Timmy's by far. It's kind of area specific, but usually all I hear is timmy this timmy that. I don't care if they do perform well, there's nothing special about the marker whatsoever. It's just a Spyder with a fast board and makeover. They cost about the same to produce as well only they get to rape you with 10 times the MSRP.

[REDRT]

I'd say a mech mag. Many people have been quoting BPS figures that are a tad high over the years. What a mag really can do has been spun so one might think the bps of what a person can expect to achieve is much higher than what is possible. This has been exaggerated greatly over the years. The markers on the list gets hype for a year or so and it is over. So I'd say reguarding the spin of how much BPS an adverage person can achieve using a mech mag has made it one of the, "most over rated guns".

[Lohman446]

I'd say a mech mag. Many people have been quoting BPS figures that are a tad high over the years. What a mag really can do has been spun so one might think the bps of what a person can expect to achieve is much higher than what is possible. This has been exaggerated greatly over the years. The markers on the list gets hype for a year or so and it is over. So I'd say reguarding the spin of how much BPS an adverage person can achieve using a mech mag has made it one of the, "most over rated guns".

I would argue that a mech mag is both the most overrateda nd underrated marker out there. To those who overrate them there is this beleif that they are every bit as good as an e-marker and can do everything they can. Couple this with a few videos of "evidence" of mags in uncontrolled runaway and they point and argue this point to death.

Then there are those that underrate them as blenders, ancient, and unuseable. Many players may be well suited to a mag in there pack, in fact I have one for the ultimate backup marker. It is enough that I do not feel hopeless with it, I know it will work when I pull it out, and does not put me out on the field worrying about electronics, or sticking valves when it gets cold.

[REDRT]

I would argue that a mech mag is both the most overrateda nd underrated marker out there. To those who overrate them there is this beleif that they are every bit as good as an e-marker and can do everything they can. Couple this with a few videos of "evidence" of mags in uncontrolled runaway and they point and argue this point to death.

Then there are those that underrate them as blenders, ancient, and unuseable. Many players may be well suited to a mag in there pack, in fact I have one for the ultimate backup marker. It is enough that I do not feel hopeless with it, I know it will work when I pull it out, and does not put me out on the field worrying about electronics, or sticking valves when it gets cold.

My point is when people of lesser minds quote ridiculous bps higher than humanly possible and it has been going on for as long as I can remember. I'd say, "mech mags" in general have been highly over rated by many. Under appreciated by even more.

[mackin4u1202]

i went with angel only cause i always hear people saying

omg i want to be shot by an angel they hurt like hell!!!!

and im like wow is it me or are the velocity on most guns the same

[Automaggot68]

i went with angel only cause i always hear people saying

omg i want to be shot by an angel they hurt like hell!!!!

and im like wow is it me or are the velocity on most guns the same

Wow.

[okiTony]

Ion

My 2 cents.....ION's.

[magman007]

I have heard from various Airsmith's, such as Punisher, that an LPR does nothing for the Shocker. It's not needed.

Most overrated gun- DM series, especially the DM6. Everybody loves it and raves about the "new technology" when it is just a 5 year old design revamped several times.

how the hell did i let a terrible claim like this slip under my radar? Clearly you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and you should sit down and shut your lips.

Im assuming you have the slightest amount of knowledge on how the spoolvalve works, and if you think about it, you will see why an lpr is completely and utterly advantageous over a spooler running without an lpr. ALso, why do you think the origional airtech matricies started incorporating the lpr, then re tooling the body to accept an lpr easier.

solenoid drives the bolt. On a dm, the air going to the solenoid, has been brought down to 70psi(factory standard, many dm6's are running much much lower, 45-50psi range after break in) then it drives the bolt forewards and backwards.

on the shocker, the pressure is all the same. the pressure driving the bolt, and the pressure firing the marker, which i believe is the imput pressure of about 150 psi. double the amount of force the bolt has on the ball. its why when it is cold out, and shockers are breaking everything, that dm's will see alot less breakage.


Second off, the dm6 being a revamp of a 5 yearold design. What the hell are you thinking? there are so many differences between the dm6 and a gen e lcd matrix, or matrix of that body style, that you would have to have the mental capacity of a 2 yearold not to notice.

The dm6 is running an imput pressure of about 145psi. it used to be 170 on the other dm series, and 180-200 on the lcd body.

We all know about the body, which just progressively gets smaller and smaller.

Efficiency. Efficiency has been rising with each revision, on my 70ci penut, i can get 8pods and a hopper. thats timmy and ego territory, still not as good, but no where near as bad as an led, or an lcd with the stock, or the image/red/blue bolt kits.

eyes.. the self cleaning eyes work wonderfully, tested the dm6 on stock settings, with a 9volt revvy, and i had 0 issues.

ul frame. Different, comfortable, great idea.

different trigger from the previous series, more adj points, more customizability.

Heads up display. just a little more dye innovation.

also, the dm line has the front on off, some argue its useless, i like it and think it was a good idea.

the FUSE BOLT. biggest difference in this "5 yearold design" much easier, less friction from less contact points. KISS keep it simple stupid. thats what dye did with this bolt, and it just keeps getting progressively better.

SO it is a new revision to the design, not just some repackaging.

If knowledge is power. than i am your god.

[minimag03]

on the shocker, the pressure is all the same. the pressure driving the bolt, and the pressure firing the marker, which i believe is the imput pressure of about 150 psi. double the amount of force the bolt has on the ball. its why when it is cold out, and shockers are breaking everything, that dm's will see alot less breakage.

So are you saying all Shockers would work better with and LPR or SP needs to redesign the Shocker to use an LPR to the full potential? An LPR would ower the pressure about 10 PSI on the current Shocker design.

SP does hype their markers a lot. The people that are dumb enough to buy into the hype are usally dumb enough not to take proper care of their markers. I believe this is what causes a lot of the problems with their markers. The is not only true with SP, but many more markers.