Whats the most over rated gun?

[WenULiVeUdiE]

It was just my opinion, even though you think it may be a bit misguided. Quite honestly, I feel the basic design of the current generation line of Dye markers is very similar to the general design of that of the very first Matrices. If you can show me that the DM6 contains no operational and mechanical similarities between it's much older counterpart, then I will agree with you that my original post was wrong. However, that is not the case. Essentially, that is all I was saying about it in my first post.

Also, the statement that the DM6 is a "5 year old design that was revamped" isn't exactly a completely false statement. Has the Matrix not, from year to year, turned into the DM6? Hasn't all of these improvements led us to the DM6? Keep in mind that tgis is not necessarily a negative conotation. Essentially, all I meant by my orginal statement was that all this "new technology" (yes, there is some with the DM6) is being overhyped.

If an LPR is so vital to the function of a modern Shocker, why is it that they are on such a small percentage of the Shockers out there today functioning without them?

I'm not out to get into an arguement here. I completely understand your point of view and what you are saying. All I am trying to do is back up my statements while trying to understand even more your points.

[jenarelJAM]

Wow, I hate to be the one to defend the ion...

For the record, I don't own an ion, but a couple of my friends do.

For under $300, new, you really can't beat the ion for a new player's second gun. New kid buys a $50 first gun, sees the ion with eyes, electro, etc., wants it for his birthday. It gives him a chance to practice walking a trigger, trying to shoot lanes, and to get into the whole speedball thing. And it's affordable. It isn't overhyped, most of the hype on it is because it is such a great first or second gun, and it fulfills that. One thing I don't think everyone realizes on the "overhyped" thread is that spending less money on a gun is an Advantage, not a reason to bash it.

[Lohman446]

Wow, I hate to be the one to defend the ion...

For the record, I don't own an ion, but a couple of my friends do.

For under $300, new, you really can't beat the ion for a new player's second gun. New kid buys a $50 first gun, sees the ion with eyes, electro, etc., wants it for his birthday. It gives him a chance to practice walking a trigger, trying to shoot lanes, and to get into the whole speedball thing. And it's affordable. It isn't overhyped, most of the hype on it is because it is such a great first or second gun, and it fulfills that. One thing I don't think everyone realizes on the "overhyped" thread is that spending less money on a gun is an Advantage, not a reason to bash it.

$300 high end marker? While the Ion is a good marker for the price I would not put it in the category of other high end markers (Shocker, DM line, Angels, etc.) There was a lot of hype on the thing. Hype does not mean a marker has no redeeming qualities, it just indicates that the marker is overstated.

[RusskiX]

$300 high end marker? While the Ion is a good marker for the price I would not put it in the category of other high end markers (Shocker, DM line, Angels, etc.) There was a lot of hype on the thing. Hype does not mean a marker has no redeeming qualities, it just indicates that the marker is overstated.

Read it again...nowhere does the writer above call the ION a "high end" gun, nor does he specifically compare it to high end markers. He does a good job of indicating it a progessive gun choice that steps up from entry level only. It fills a niche.

[SCpoloRicker]

how the hell did i let a terrible claim like this slip under my radar? Clearly you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and you should sit down and shut your lips.

Im assuming you have the slightest amount of knowledge on how the spoolvalve works, and if you think about it, you will see why an lpr is completely and utterly advantageous over a spooler running without an lpr. ALso, why do you think the origional airtech matricies started incorporating the lpr, then re tooling the body to accept an lpr easier.

solenoid drives the bolt. On a dm, the air going to the solenoid, has been brought down to 70psi(factory standard, many dm6's are running much much lower, 45-50psi range after break in) then it drives the bolt forewards and backwards.

on the shocker, the pressure is all the same. the pressure driving the bolt, and the pressure firing the marker, which i believe is the imput pressure of about 150 psi. double the amount of force the bolt has on the ball. its why when it is cold out, and shockers are breaking everything, that dm's will see alot less breakage.


Second off, the dm6 being a revamp of a 5 yearold design. What the hell are you thinking? there are so many differences between the dm6 and a gen e lcd matrix, or matrix of that body style, that you would have to have the mental capacity of a 2 yearold not to notice.

The dm6 is running an imput pressure of about 145psi. it used to be 170 on the other dm series, and 180-200 on the lcd body.

We all know about the body, which just progressively gets smaller and smaller.

Efficiency. Efficiency has been rising with each revision, on my 70ci penut, i can get 8pods and a hopper. thats timmy and ego territory, still not as good, but no where near as bad as an led, or an lcd with the stock, or the image/red/blue bolt kits.

eyes.. the self cleaning eyes work wonderfully, tested the dm6 on stock settings, with a 9volt revvy, and i had 0 issues.

ul frame. Different, comfortable, great idea.

different trigger from the previous series, more adj points, more customizability.

Heads up display. just a little more dye innovation.

also, the dm line has the front on off, some argue its useless, i like it and think it was a good idea.

the FUSE BOLT. biggest difference in this "5 yearold design" much easier, less friction from less contact points. KISS keep it simple stupid. thats what dye did with this bolt, and it just keeps getting progressively better.

SO it is a new revision to the design, not just some repackaging.

If knowledge is power. than i am your god.

Must... resist... giggles...

[Lohman446]

Read it again...nowhere does the writer above call the ION a "high end" gun, nor does he specifically compare it to high end markers. He does a good job of indicating it a progessive gun choice that steps up from entry level only. It fills a niche.

I took it as a defense of the Ion, claiming it not to be overhyped. The Ion fills a great niche (which was a lot bigger of a niche when it was released). But, part of the hype was that it was a high end gun. The Ion was decidedly overhyped, does not take away from what it actually was.

[getyourgunn]

angel= my gun is $500 shinier than yours (idont have one)
shockers= are sweet i have to admit get one for 600 fully upped (used)
ions= self explanatory
impulse= big heavy but was sweet at the time it came out
ego= nice
dm's= nice
timmys= spyders on steroids

[FSU_Paintball]

Overrated over here? Mags.

[WARPED1]

You forgot Devil Mag.................

[UTDragun]

gold plated ir3's

[11 Bravo]

You forgot Devil Mag.................

They dont exist...Only in GA's mind.

[WARPED1]

They dont exist...Only in GA's mind.

Very true, I thought 1 or 2 made it out to the real world.

[SCpoloRicker]

That number is a bit low. And I'd have to agree with you; a lot of people have hyped them as the be all, end all solution.

Owners (myself, lohman, and a few others) have been far more realistic.

[usagi_tetsu]

I'm thinking it's not so much which marker is the most overrated (though I did vote for the Ion... come on, if they were really so great, why is everyone selling used ones online?), so much as what features are overrated. My vote, over all the other silliness out there, is ramping. If we're going to have the electronics do the work for us, why not just have it go full auto, and cap it at the ROF you are pretending is safe? You're not controlling it any more by fluttering your fingers instead of merely holding the trigger, you've merely reduced the playing field further so that everyone can fire high rates of speed no matter their skill or fast-twitch muscle response times. That, and making the paint manufacturers a ton of money.

[azzkikr]

yeah wait a sec, i instictivly voted timmys cause i would n..... forget it, i'm not getting into it again.

but where are the emags in that poll?