The ART of wiping

[warbeak2099]

Just goes to show that the youth today are generally not exemplars of "high moral character" by any means. I work at a high school, I know these things.

I agree. I think everyone can agree that the current system employed bu school systems is just not working. Psychologists have been pushing for better systems that have been proven based on empirical testing. But oh no, they don't make the decisions. Ignorant politicians and administrators totally ignore them and employ their own methods that are absolutely ludicrous and further detract from the intelligence and character of kids. It's a shame. Widespread cheating and poor sportsmanship is just one result of this.

[snoopay700]

Went to play yesterday at a field that is very popular with the "tourney" crowd of players. Its a really nice field, spectacular both on the playing end and the pro shop. Just happened to be a tryout going on yesterday so the crowd was heavy in recruits trying to show what they had.

We came as a large group for open play. We had neglected to specify that we were more interested in playing as a private party. So in betweeen games we took the time to watch some of the other teams practice and try out.

As we watched the players game I started noticing how really artful some of these methods of wiping have become. It was quite amazing. These guys would get hit w/o flinching, w/o looking and just casually rub the ground, bunker, whatever they could to get the hit to look like a rub. As a ref you would have had to been watching that player at the exact moment they were hit to know. This end of the game truly is becoming an art, not only in the training to learn to move and shoot like that, but also to so flawlessly cheat.

It's not an art, anyone who is tolerant to pain can do this, and whenever i get hit for the most part you can't even tell from my reaction, but you can tell when i go out. I can't tell you how many times i've gotten hit and could've just wiped and no one would've known, but i decide to be honest and just go out rather than cheat, because i see no point in winning that way because you're only cheating yourself. Also, i've had people swear they hit and and luckily they bounced, which i am really thankful for unless it's on a really tender part, like the lower back.

[ThePixelGuru]

There are some players who are _extremely_ good at wiping, yeah. I've heard conversations at the field where people argue that wiping is a skill, and therefore is just another part of the game. Hell, I've seen gloves for sale that have little squeegees on the side.

I think wiping makes paintball more dangerous, though. People tend to overshoot if they expect their targets to wipe, since it's tougher to wipe three hits than one.

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

play fair = lose
cheat = win
play fair = better game for everyone, less balls getting put into you
cheat = fustrating game usually ending in arguements and fights. thus to make sure you are hit and that you get out you would have about 5 balls get shot into you instead of the usual 1-3 that you would get
play fair = some players wish they could
cheat = some players wish they wouldn't

and hey guess what, no one is doing a darn thing to promote fair play or frown upon(sp) cheating to the masses because they simply won't listen

[Recon by Fire]

This is the only wiping you should be doing.

[Troen]

This is the only wiping you should be doing.

ha, poop.

[Pacifist_Farmer]

I was given a copy of PB2X for christmas this year, I don't usually read Paintball mag's cause I'm not interested in 50 pages of spyders and tippmans, but this one was pretty good.

The one thing I didn't really like about it was this one article, the premise of the article was "how to spot cheaters" it obviously was for refs. Except that in the description of each technique there was a lengthy "how to" for the player. Does this kind of article in a magazine encourage the behaviour, or is it just a way to even the playing field?

Either way I think it stinks.

I wiped once, and my conscience hit me so hard afterwards I didn't play for months. I can't imagine how people can do it on a regualr basis as a part of their game.

[Robbie]

i love cheaters. It makes my day so much more interesting.
There is no substitute for practice! If you can hit a 1'X1" box from across the field just snap shooting or running and shooting you dont have to cheat.
You may be able to wipe 1 or 2 but 30 good luck ...all education has a price
Cheating is not just in speedball anymore i have been all over the country for different scenario games and let me tell you they cheat there too. They just suck at it ...they flinch...they fall back to make it seem like they are walking out and than get right back in.
bahaa
I do think the kids attitudes are different
I just took a Dyansty Training clinic for speed ball and instead of trying to listen and make changes to get better some of them said they would rather just cheat.
I guess its too much work to get better.

[SlartyBartFast]

QFT.

Tournaments need to allow video to be submitted after a game. If it shows cheating, HUGE penalties should be imposed. Wworse than if it had been caught by a ref on field, say the loss of half the total point possible in a game, heck why not make it the loss of their best game in the tournament.

If the video doesn't show a wipe in the opinion of the officials, apply a penalty against the team presenting the video (but not quite as draconian as the penalty for cheating).

One or two teams losing a tournament to hidden camera footage and you can be sure that the vast majority of players would clean up their act real quick.

[oneshot]

exact reason why its good to bonus ball peeps every now and again.

[Lohman446]

QFT.

Tournaments need to allow video to be submitted after a game. If it shows cheating, HUGE penalties should be imposed. Wworse than if it had been caught by a ref on field, say the loss of half the total point possible in a game, heck why not make it the loss of their best game in the tournament.

If the video doesn't show a wipe in the opinion of the officials, apply a penalty against the team presenting the video (but not quite as draconian as the penalty for cheating).

One or two teams losing a tournament to hidden camera footage and you can be sure that the vast majority of players would clean up their act real quick.

Name one sport that after the game is over goes back and changes even bad calls of officials. Even if cheating, or a blatant bad call is present.

[chairman_mao]

Name one sport that after the game is over goes back and changes even bad calls of officials. Even if cheating, or a blatant bad call is present.

Soccer. The English FA (governing body of English Football) consitantly goes back and allows apeals on red cards as well as issues bans and fines for tackles and incidents that may not have incured any call during the normal run of play.

[Lohman446]

Soccer. The English FA (governing body of English Football) consitantly goes back and allows apeals on red cards as well as issues bans and fines for tackles and incidents that may not have incured any call during the normal run of play.

Good call on the fines, which are issued in several sports and could well be done, as well as suspensions. Perhaps even future penalties (imagine starting the next tournament down a player, or less points). But could we really make it doable to go back and change the outcome of the game?

[LudavicoSoldier]

It doesnt seem that anyone has the balls to ACTIVELY enforce rules. It's easier to just dismiss and ignore, meanwhile lining your pockets, than to rock the boat with individuals, teams, or sponsors.

[snoopay700]

See, that's why if i own a field i'm gonna ref and have my gun on me, then if i see a kid wiping and staying in, i won't call him out, i'll light him up, then see how many people cheat at my field. Of course that's way in the future. Oh yeah, if they try to shoot back, they can't play, just make it a rule that if you intentionally shoot at a ref, you're kicked out.