The ART of wiping

[Ken Majors]

In my opinion there are many players that don't see cheating as cheating. What I mean by this is that they believe that if they are hit and the ref does not see it then they were not hit.
This is why you see tournament players playing on, unflinching until a ref physically removes the arm band. They do this for a couple of reasons, if they can hit the guy that hit them before the ref gets there, they will probably get a one for one. If they play on the ref may not notice, or they may have a chance to quickly wipe the hit before he gets there.
I believe that when you are hit, you should call yourself out. A ref is just there for those times when you don't know that you are hit, or for paint checks, and for the safety of the players.
If you are diving into the snake and are hit mid air and know you are hit, call yourself out upon getting up. Even if the paint wiped off during the slide.
This game was originally based upon the honor of the players. Not based on the opinion of what the ref saw. But on what you as a player KNOW happened.

My 2 cents.


Long time lurker, infrequent poster.

[snoopay700]

Overkill. Just give each ref a PGP to tuck into his pocket. Might not light 'em up, but you've got the time to aim well enough to make it really hurt. Say, shoot for the neck. I don't care how sneaky those cheaters are, welts don't wipe off.

Yeah, i considered that but lighting up leaves a bigger impression and more welts. Oh, and cellmate? I wouldn't have a cell mate, we'd stop as soon as they yell out, and since they sign a waiver they can't complain or sue because getting shot is part of the game, and refs can join in. Also, if they hear about that they won't wipe. It's not illegal, and i'd be inflicting no more pain than if they were lit up by a player.

[Troen]

my idea, overhead cameras, of decent quality so they can zoom in later. each team is allowed to call to use the overhead cameras after each round (multipal rounds in a game) but its still going by the time rules. 40 minutes still is the only time they're allowed, so teams behind on points wont be calling to use it, and the team who won wont care if they wiped. if a team decides to review the video, the captains and a head reft watch a monitor, zooming in where desired, and if someones caught, the round is forfited, if both teams are caught cheating, round is void and each start off with the cheating player expelled from the TOURNAMENT if it shows him wiping. sound good to anyone?

[Lohman446]

and since they sign a waiver they can't complain or sue .

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[snoopay700]

oh lohman dont worry it will be stated on the waiver that every 1 signs and never reads...if you are caught cheating ...consequences may include banning, pulled from games, and in the event the player does not comply, a field official may resort to using excessive force...as in shooting you untill u decide to leave the game....any returned fire will be met by extreme physical force to be distrubuted by field staff equipped with behavioral control devices..such as tasers...pepper spray..batons,,boots...and paintball markers...

Whoa, not so excessive, they just get banned for the day. If they return and act the same then they won't be coming back. And plus since getting shot is part of the game, it's just that, part of the game. After it happens once i'm sure i won't have a problem with cheating.

[Lohman446]

Whoa, not so excessive, they just get banned for the day. If they return and act the same then they won't be coming back. And plus since getting shot is part of the game, it's just that, part of the game. After it happens once i'm sure i won't have a problem with cheating.

If someone shot me after they knew I was eliminated with the intent to inflict pain there would be an issue, either with me taking appropriate steps to defend myself at the time or by seeking appropriate remedy later on.

[snoopay700]

If someone shot me after they knew I was eliminated with the intent to inflict pain there would be an issue, either with me taking appropriate steps to defend myself at the time or by seeking appropriate remedy later on.

ok, no i would do that ONLY if i saw them hit, and they wipe, or just keep playing, i'll first tell them to get off the field, if that doesn't work and they say it's from a bunker, they get lit up. That is the only case, or if they repeatedly get hit and stay in. Oh, and just because a place has woods and pallets and stuff doesn't mean it's run down, that's called woodsball. Wow, they don't have any sup' airball fields, maybe the owners don't like that. The field i go to has bunkers like that, as well as a few forts and barrels, and a hyperbal field. But they're still rundown right, cause they've owned the field for over 15 years? Basically my point is it's just the style (oh, and just fyi, that field is rated as one of the safest fields you can play at, and didn't have one safety issue in their whole career until last october when one guy lifted his goggles in the chrono station and got a split lip).

[Lohman446]

ok, no i would do that ONLY if i saw them hit, and they wipe, or just keep playing, i'll first tell them to get off the field, if that doesn't work and they say it's from a bunker, they get lit up.

I'm lost as to the justification here as to why you don't think that this would illicit a response from an individual. Are you firing a marker at them with the intent to do physical harm outside of the context of the game? Yes...

[snoopay700]

I'm lost as to the justification here as to why you don't think that this would illicit a response from an individual. Are you firing a marker at them with the intent to do physical harm outside of the context of the game? Yes...

No, not outside of the context of the game, they're out but don't realize it, so they need a little help, ie someone shooting them until they say they're out, and then i believe there won't be any more problems from that person with cheating.

[rabidchihauhau]

History lesson:

'no-flinching' drills were in effect way back in the early 80's - there's nothing new there.

the no flinching drills came into being for TWO purposes - one legit, the other not. Rules at the time said "if you look like you've been hit (flinch or look) a referee will check you closely; if you are hit and haven't acknowledged it, its a 3 for 1"

good, honest teams learned anti-flinching because no one wanted referees taking them out of the game for a check. An honest player who felt a hit would not flinch, but would check discreetly and then walk off if hit.

No amount of 'anti-cheating methods' is going to stop cheating. Bonus balls won't help either (eg - punishing the offender on the field); if I'm good enough to wipe and get away with it, I'm good enough to take your hits and lite you right back up - and I might even be good enough to get a two-for-one called on your team for excessive shooting... talk about adding insult to injury...

One thing that helps is 'off the field refs' - using walkie-talkies and not directly making calls, but calling them in to refs on the field. No one looks outside the field.

the other thing to do is make penalties that totally remove the benefit of the cheat. If a wiping or playing on penalty was 'loss of game' - you'd see a lot less of it.

the final thing is - refs not only have to do their jobs (many don't), they also have to be willing to stick to what they saw regardless of what is on the player when they check.

A player gets hit before his slide into the snake that a ref saw, the ref makes the call - he was hit, out - regardless of whether there's paint there or not. That player can scream about bad calls all day for all I care - I saw the hit and I'm the ref, end of story.