Special Mod For Xmags/emags

[Lohman446]

Um no! Seeing as how they dont make the X anymore and they are just selling off the remainder of the Emags. AGD has had no desire to tinker with anything.

How would you know it cant be done. Have you tried it?


I also saw post after post about how the software for the mags was as good as it could get and that the board couldnt take anymore. Remarks like -Dont you think that AGD would have done it if it needed to be done. 3.2

Well its been done. And not by AGD.

Everyone with any mechanical or technical knowledge of the system has said it cannot be done in a cost effective manor that would not affect performance, maintenance, or longevity. Sure, give me enough $$$ and it can be done but who is going to invest significant amounts in a marker that is not even produced anymore? Can it be done? Sure it can, most anything can be done. Can it be done in an economically viable way without side effects? Probably not. Of course someone might still do it if they don't count there labor into doing it...

[thecavemankevin]

ok i cant give too much away about this (partly because they wont tell me too much) but theres a rumor going around that, someone is developing a mod to remove the need for the big battery on xmags and emags.

kind of curious to see what you guys think, and if you might have any suggestion or ideas.

um, duh!!! its called playing in mech mode!!!!

[neppo1345]

ZOMG!!!!111!!




Pics courtesy of Mav D Magman

personally...I like the battery pack...yeah its a little heavier...but I like the looks...

[Muzikman]

No one ever said the software couldn't get better than 3.2. AGD said it would not support anything other than 3.2. That is not what this is about.

The alternate power source has been talked about since the day the eMag came out. Thing have been tried, but until you get a smaller noid in there the battery is going to have to be large. The only thing you could do is use a different type of battery that supplies the same output (volt and amps) and there are batteries out there, but they would be so expensive that it wouldn't be practical. You could use a smaller noid, but then it has to have the strength to move the sear. Now can you go smaller than what AGD did, sure, they were looking for reliability. Anything smaller and you run the very big risk of burning out your noid.

Now if the ULT would be used, there is the ability to use a smaller noid there for a smaller battery.

As for the idea that there would be no progress without ideas, this is true, but this is like trying to build a Perpetual motion machine.

[M.Don]

ok i thought id give you guys a chance to do something constructive in the name of progress, but i guess things have changed around here. this thread isnt called is it possible to remove the big battery from an emag/xmag, or can you please put the idea down before you even know how its going to be achived, i heard about something exiting and thought id pass it on. Guess i'll know better in future.

unless this turns constructive its getting deleted.

how about we list features we'd like.

ie
better eyes
or it needs to do 20,000 shot from one battery/charge
etc etc.


not that is important, but lithium polymer batterys providing about 4 times the power at the same weight as ni-mh are less than a box of paint, and battery technology is inline for another big leap forward this year. but thats not what this is about.

[Lohman446]

ok i cant give too much away about this (partly because they wont tell me too much) but theres a rumor going around that, someone is developing a mod to remove the need for the big battery on xmags and emags.

kind of curious to see what you guys think, and if you might have any suggestion or ideas.

ok i thought id give you guys a chance to do something constructive in the name of progress, but i guess things have changed around here. this thread isnt called is it possible to remove the big battery from an emag/xmag, or can you please put the idea down before you even know how its going to be achived, i heard about something exiting and thought id pass it on. Guess i'll know better in future.

unless this turns constructive its getting deleted.

how about we list features we'd like.

ie
better eyes
or it needs to do 20,000 shot from one battery/charge
etc etc.

You asked us what we thought, we told you what we thought. Next time you want it to turn into everyone patting each other on the back and only what to hear positives, why don't you tell us that. You asked us what we thought, and many of us expressed an opinion that we thought it was not economically viable. Next time you want us to express a certain thought, why not tell us what the thought is so we don't dissappoint.

[Muzikman]

After 5+ years, you see the same talk over, and over and over again.

So you want suggestions about how to make the E/X mag better or just what we would look for in a power source? I think most everything has been taken care of one way or another, it's just a matter of getting it produced.

[M.Don]

"ok i cant give too much away about this (partly because they wont tell me too much) but theres a rumor going around that, someone is developing a mod to remove the need for the big battery on xmags and emags.

kind of curious to see what you guys think, and if you might have any suggestion or ideas"


where does that say please tell me if you think this is possible, or do i ask for speculation on the design or fesability, NO!!!!

like i said add something constructive or dont add anything.


thanks muzicman thats a good point, basicly i cant tell you much but i do assure you its genuine, and its not about the power source.

[Muzikman]

What we added was constructive...we have added our experiances.

[neppo1345]

LiPo packs might cost less than a box of paint, and provide 4 times the power output...

But you can't just plug 'em in the wall and sit around while they charge...most need specially designed trickle chargers and cannot be charged quickly due to their unstable nature...

And you still need somewhere to put it...so once you get your LiPo pack (~$50) you need your LiPo charger (~$150)...so for ~$200.00 all you get is a considerably smaller battery pack hanging down in place of the stocker...

You also stated it was a rumor...which it means it might not be true...we're simply stating reasons why it's not true...

[Lohman446]

"ok i cant give too much away about this (partly because they wont tell me too much) but theres a rumor going around that, someone is developing a mod to remove the need for the big battery on xmags and emags.

kind of curious to see what you guys think, and if you might have any suggestion or ideas"


where does that say please tell me if you think this is possible, or do i ask for speculation on the design or fesability, NO!!!!

like i said add something constructive or dont add anything.

My apologies for expressing my thoughts when I was asked for them. I will never do it again, I will approve all my posts with you before posting.

Wait... did you buy this board? Did you get nominated a moderator and have TK change the rules to be only positive? Is this not the board that questions things?

/Hmm.. after a consideration of those thoughts... perhaps you can ignore my first paragraph.

[neppo1345]

If you would have stated "hey...this one guy I know is making a produceable mod to remove the X/E-Mag batt packs, anything in particular you guys want?" might have gotten more of the repsonse you wanted...

Don't ask what we think If you're not prepared to hear what some of us think...

[M.Don]

fair point on the charging lipos, but charger's are a lot cheaper than that. how about Manganese Titanium Lithium, i was just illustrating my point, not very well i might add. neppo1345 you do raise a good point i did say it was a rumour, my mistake it isnt its happening and its real. thankyou for the observation and suggestions to improve my grammar.

origonal post edited.

[hitech]

I don't believe Tom ever stated the eMag could not work with a smaller solenoid. Especially after the ULT was introduced. The ULT won't work in the existing eMag because the ULT can't reset the solenoid fast enough because the plunger has too much mass. I believe the eMag can work with a much smaller solenoid and therefore a much smaller battery. A smaller solenoid will have a plunger with much less mass allowing the ULT to reset it much faster than it can reset the stock solenoid. I believe I can make it work with a 9 volt. And I may even try soon. Depends...



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[Muzikman]

I don't believe Tom ever stated the eMag could not work with a smaller solenoid. Especially after the ULT was introduced. The ULT won't work in the existing eMag because the ULT can't reset the solenoid fast enough because the plunger has too much mass. I believe the eMag can work with a much smaller solenoid and therefore a much smaller battery. A smaller solenoid will have a plunger with much less mass allowing the ULT to reset it much faster than it can reset the stock solenoid. I believe I can make it work with a 9 volt. And I may even try soon. Depends...

So what you end up with is a Devilmag in a stock frame.