Special Mod For Xmags/emags

[hitech]

I don't think so. Doesn't the devil mag use the same (or same type) solenoid as the hyperframe? This would use a solenoid just like the eMags, only smaller. It would have ALL the existing features of the eMag. It's even possible that it could cycle over 20bps since the plunger is lighter...

[Lohman446]

I don't think so. Doesn't the devil mag use the same (or same type) solenoid as the hyperframe? This would use a solenoid just like the eMags, only smaller. It would have ALL the existing features of the eMag. It's even possible that it could cycle over 20bps since the plunger is lighter...

Are we discussing a 9V or just a different type of battery. The only advantage to changing ti seems to me is to get to normal batteries.

[GT]

I don't believe Tom ever stated the eMag could not work with a smaller solenoid. Especially after the ULT was introduced. The ULT won't work in the existing eMag because the ULT can't reset the solenoid fast enough because the plunger has too much mass. I believe the eMag can work with a much smaller solenoid and therefore a much smaller battery. A smaller solenoid will have a plunger with much less mass allowing the ULT to reset it much faster than it can reset the stock solenoid. I believe I can make it work with a 9 volt. And I may even try soon. Depends...

This can't be a constructive post on AO? NOOOOOO!!!!!! I am not sure why this wasnt tried after the advent of the ULT. I don't know a thing about selnoids, however, like most paintball parts, there is a selnoid that is already made that would work.

So what you end up with is a Devilmag in a stock frame.

No, what we end up with is a lighter more effiecient emag.

[hitech]

Regular 9 volt battery. However, remember, I have NOT tried it. Based on the research, which is not complete, I believe it would work. If I had an "extra" eMag board I would try it. However, the cost of an eMag board, ULT, solenoid and custom made mounting "nut" is more than I should be spending right now. And we're not even talking about the time... Maybe when the wife recovers...

[Lohman446]

Regular 9 volt battery. However, remember, I have NOT tried it. Based on the research, which is not complete, I believe it would work. If I had an "extra" eMag board I would try it. However, the cost of an eMag board, ULT, solenoid and custom made mounting "nut" is more than I should be spending right now. And we're not even talking about the time... Maybe when the wife recovers...

It would be nice to have, not having an E-mag on hand is there room enough for a battery in the grip, or are we still going to have to find a place for it?

[hitech]

I don't know if the solenoid would be small enough to also fit a battery in there, but I doubt it. However, it might fit in a ULEd rail.

[Mind'sEye]

LiPo packs might cost less than a box of paint, and provide 4 times the power output...

But you can't just plug 'em in the wall and sit around while they charge...most need specially designed trickle chargers and cannot be charged quickly due to their unstable nature...

And you still need somewhere to put it...so once you get your LiPo pack (~$50) you need your LiPo charger (~$150)...so for ~$200.00 all you get is a considerably smaller battery pack hanging down in place of the stocker...

You also stated it was a rumor...which it means it might not be true...we're simply stating reasons why it's not true...

I have done this but DO NOT recommend it: Using a 9.2v version of the stock solenoid (S-15-75-24), a Morlock DIY board and an 11.1v 3 cell Li-Poly battery (1.2oz) I was able to get my Emag to fire reliably and save about 5oz. The emag's weight was down in the range of my Freestyle. The problem is safety. Damaged li-po cells can leak and potentially cause an explosive fire. Plus I have no idea what voltage/amperage compatibilities were involved. In the end I didn't think it was worth the risk, particulary with the battery in relatively close proximity to an HPA tank, but yes, I do believe that a safe alternative is possible with the right battery/solenoid combination. Hitech's idea is worth exploring someday....... :)

[BigEvil]

Throwing around ideas is great... and I of all people love the enthusiasm. But like Muz said, we have been over and over and over and over and over and over and over the same things now since the emag came out.

Personally, I find nothing wrong with my Xmag, other than it doesnt have as many firing modes as the newer guns.

The battery and noid thing to me is debatable. I have played for 3 days on a single battery charge. Any of my guns with a 9v get the battery changed after 2. Same thing with my Halo. As far as the speed things goes, do I really have a need for over the 24+ bps the emag is physically capable of?

All of the tinkering, experimenting, and DIYing is very cool and one of the things that I love about the mag. Im not saying that there isnt room for improvement in the emag, cus' there is. What Im saying is that an emag probably isnt the best platform to really go crazy experimenting with.

[hitech]

One of the problems I see with the eMag battery is the cost. The cost of a replacement battery is high. The cost of having a spare battery pack (battery and housing) is high. Replacing the charger is high. Now, a 9.6 volt rechargeable is MUCH less expensive. You also have many more options.

However, I don't really mind the eMag battery. That's also one of the reasons I haven't tried my idea.

[BigEvil]

It would be nice to have, not having an E-mag on hand is there room enough for a battery in the grip, or are we still going to have to find a place for it?

Most likely unless there was extensive modification, then a 9v wouldnt fit.

I am playing with an idea of a 9v mag, using an inteliframe, with both the 9v battery and board in an emag battery pack.

Im not sure how people would feel about still having that pack. Some people love it, most hate it.

[hitech]

I am playing with an idea of a 9v mag, using an inteliframe, with both the 9v battery and board in an emag battery pack.

Have you considered putting the 9 volt in a ULEd frame rail?

Im not sure how people would feel about still having that pack. Some people love it, most hate it.

Although I like it, it seems most do not...

Interesting idea, however.

[AGDlover]

Have you considered putting the 9 volt in a ULEd frame rail?

About this.. I have been consioding this with a mag project i was gonna do. 2 issues. 1. I dont really think theirs really a spot to put it as much space they're may be.
2not a lot of room to run wires inbetween rail and frame

[RRfireblade]

I don't believe Tom ever stated the eMag could not work with a smaller solenoid. Especially after the ULT was introduced. The ULT won't work in the existing eMag because the ULT can't reset the solenoid fast enough because the plunger has too much mass. I believe the eMag can work with a much smaller solenoid and therefore a much smaller battery. A smaller solenoid will have a plunger with much less mass allowing the ULT to reset it much faster than it can reset the stock solenoid. I believe I can make it work with a 9 volt. And I may even try soon. Depends...

Basically....

You need a smaller 'noid, ULT (which WILL slow down the max ROF), new sear (or the old one will again slow down the max ROF) and then smaller battery.

Or...

A Smaller battery capable of putting out 18v@ the stock batteries amperage. :)

[RapidTransit]

Maybe someone can interpret this? http://www.solenoidcity.com/solenoid...ar/s-15-75.pdf the specs on the eMag solenoid what it needs to pull a certain weight.

[Gunga]

Im not sure how people would feel about still having that pack. Some people love it, most hate it.

I wouldn't say that. After all, like anything else, you typically only hear from the people who don't like the stock E/X-Mag battery pack.

People love to complain. It's rare that you hear from someone who is happy with what they have, unless you specifically ask them. In my far too many years of dealing with customers across various industries, I can count on one hand the number of times I've had someone contact me just to say they're happy with whatever product or service. And I'd still have some fingers left over to count with on said hand.

The 'hate' of the E/X-Mag battery pack is more perception than reality IMO.