why did AGD stop making the X-mag??

[Steelrat]

They should make another batch, but call them "Ehcks Mags"

Why? There are plenty of used ones for sale, and they aren't exactly selling well.

[siloseven]

Why? There are plenty of used ones for sale, and they aren't exactly selling well.

And plus there are UMF mags now too

[Ole Unka Phil]

BINGO! But I would not put them in that order. And I would clarify that AGD was not being sued from what I understand.

Well Poe Tay toe Po Tah toe... :P

They did get a generic cease and desist letter. Like everyone did. It never came to a formal action.

[shartley]

Well Poe Tay toe Po Tah toe... :P

They did get a generic cease and desist letter. Like everyone did. It never came to a formal action.

[Ole Unka Phil]

AGD never made the X-mag... AGD Europe did.. and they moved on to something more exciting... or something!!!!!!!


wasnt that the reason production sucked? because the bodies were made in Europe and AGD didnt own the patent for the body design???

They made a lot of it. the Valves and all the innerds. They did not make the body or battery shroud. AGDE did those parts. But they made or supplied more parts than not.

The tolerances were difficult to keep within. This is extremely critical in the Mags design and still so with the Emag set up as it fires Mechanicaly as well. The relationships are all critical to the timing of the marker and have to be within a set variance. Not impossible to achieve but nessicary. Sometimes the threading was off in the barrel seats by a turn or so making the barrels not fully seat. The issues also came around with different Annodizers as each one was practicaly custom ordered. This was difficult to keep up with for a small company. And so each mistake was magnified and costly.

[SlartyBartFast]

The real reason (in addition to some of the good ones already posted)? Profit vs. Headaches.

For the same effort put into an Xmag for a slim profit margin, AGD could sell dozens of other much higher margin markers.

Then once AGDE wanted to move on, AGD didn't want to pay AGDE royalties and pick up production of the body.

I guess there are issues with who holds the patenet rights on the one piece body design (PTP?), the modular breach (AGDE), and the Xmag milling (AGDE/Manike).

Seeing as so few people make much out of custom bodies milled from slugs, it's hardly any wonder that something as involved as the mag wasn't terribly profitable.

[Tao]

Tom said on these boards he was contacted, it was not a cease and desist order and was a "friendly" conversation. That being said there was a long list of reasons of the discontinuation of the X-mag and that he was not willing put the cost of R&D into a new e-marker given the current legal, political, hype driven state of the volatile paintball markert.

Well Isn't the "dust" settled now? SP lost that lawsuit AND lost the counter suit so it is safe to start up the R and D engine again? no?

[Lohman446]

Well Isn't the "dust" settled now? SP lost that lawsuit AND lost the counter suit so it is safe to start up the R and D engine again? no?

Remember though AGD had a problem in todays market before there was a legal issue. I haven't kept really close attention to the various lawsuits but there was more to it than just that.

[tyrion2323]

dude sry about the grammar and spelling, was not in the mood to type, but even tho "x" is a copyright of smart parts how foes that make the x-mag get put out of production?

YES.

[madmatt151]

YES.

Did this guy really think that the letter X was copyrighted by SP? If so then I am justg gonna bash my own head in!?!?!

[Troen]

Did this guy really think that the letter X was copyrighted by SP? If so then I am justg gonna bash my own head in!?!?!

not letter, word. the letter x and the word x are 2 different copy rights.

[OmniM]

sooo... is this correct?

[DiRTyBuNNy]

sooo... is this correct?

hahaha...what's funny is that I actually could tell which of the X-Mag's on the table were the three that were supposed to be mine (Blue/Black Dust, Blue Polish, and Mexican Camo)

[psychowarden]

but then those who do have them won't be "special"

Yay! Im special.

[shartley]

sooo... is this correct?