Proto vs. Dye MATRIX

[Resurection]

OK... so I have been trying to find a realistic and honest comparison. Anyone got one? What the hell is the real difference other than some cosmetics, labels, etc...

[tparkin]

the size, weight, feel, programming, efficiency, bolt....other than that they are exactly the same.

[Automaggot68]

Paging Magman007.

[SpecialBlend2786]

the dm series has an internal lpr where as the proto does not. the dm6 has a newer 'noid then the pm6, and the dm series accepts chips where as for proto's you need to replace the whole board to upgrade.

I know there are more differences, but magman is the expert

[lather]

the dm series has an internal lpr where as the proto does not. the dm6 has a newer 'noid then the pm6, and the dm series accepts chips where as for proto's you need to replace the whole board to upgrade.

I know there are more differences, but magman is the expert

I think you meant to say the DM3 has an external lpr and all protos, Dm4's on up have an internal lpr, also, both the DM6 and PM6 use the newer noid.

[BeaverEater]

i believe the that the proto uses a higher operating pressure, and the cosmetics are different along with eye covers. other than that everything else has pretty much been mentioned already.

[NeoApollo]

DM6s also have the "self-cleaning eye". But it apparently doesn't work too well.

[REDRT]

One is a PM the other is a DM. One by day the other by night. Kind of like nightquil vrs dayquil. Consult your doctor before use. If you have any side effects like bloating of ego or general feelings of discomfort stop using immediately. So funny. Not helpful I know, but funny never the less

I don't think there is really a difference enough to make a difference in the first place. As my brother says," They both look kind of like a nike". Proto is cheaper, this I know.

[SpecialBlend2786]

I think you meant to say the DM3 has an external lpr and all protos, Dm4's on up have an internal lpr, also, both the DM6 and PM6 use the newer noid.

Yeah, that's it lol. My bad

[magman007]

OOOOK boys and girls! lets run through what we know!

The Proto Matrix 5 is most comprable to a dm4. It has the same trigger, same lpr, noid. Different non chip accepting board, and ribbon style eyes, instead of the more durable, and easier to work with cable eyes. Also the eye covers do not flow as well as the dm series. It does not come with a locking feedneck. You can Put a UL frame on it. The only thing the dm4 has as a feature over the PM5 is the front on off, and lower pressure(runs stock about 220psi). Protos also have buttons, and not membrane pads like the dm4/5. Lighter than dm4 and dm5.

The PM6 is more comprable to the PM5 and a little Dm5 flavor mixed in. It runs at a lower pressure, that of a Dm4/5 (180 ish psi) Same style trigger frame and trigger, same eyes, New lpr(same as dm6) new bolt. still non chip accepting. Ul frame capable, locking feedneck and 2pc barrel standard. lighter than all but the dm6. built in rail in grip frame. new noid.

Dm4 Heaviest and largest in the group, cannot accept no rise feednecks due to the milling. Accepts chips on board. Membrane pad. Has the front on off. Ul barrel stock.

Dm5. SMaller and lighter than the dm4, same features for the most part, slightly more efficient bolt, Externally adjustable trigger, and roller bearing trigger stock. can accept no rise feednecks with no issues. Built in rail on grip frame. dye airport included, and of course, the front on off. Same lpr as dm4/pm5, and same noid. Ul barrel stock.

DMC. Exact same as dm5, one oz lighter, and has cool plastic on the body for a different look.

DM6. The top of the line dye marker at the moment. has self cleaning eyes (which i have had no issues with) New bolt, lower pressure (145ish) more efficient, ultralight frame stock(quite comfy) HUD in grip frame. Non chip accepting. PSP software stock. new lpr, new solenoid. lightest marker on the market at the moment. much smaller than all models. externally adjustable trigger, spring tension adjuster, built in rail. Dye on off airport stock. Thumb tightening feedneck, and ultralight barrel stock.


is there anything else you have questions on? i can tell you the differences no problem!


Also! for non chip accepting boards, 90% of the programming companies we know and love produce both a separate board, or offer a flash.

[Resurection]

OOOOK boys and girls! lets run through what we know!

The Proto Matrix 5 is most comprable to a dm4. It has the same trigger, same lpr, noid. Different non chip accepting board, and ribbon style eyes, instead of the more durable, and easier to work with cable eyes. Also the eye covers do not flow as well as the dm series. It does not come with a locking feedneck. You can Put a UL frame on it. The only thing the dm4 has as a feature over the PM5 is the front on off, and lower pressure(runs stock about 220psi). Protos also have buttons, and not membrane pads like the dm4/5. Lighter than dm4 and dm5.

The PM6 is more comprable to the PM5 and a little Dm5 flavor mixed in. It runs at a lower pressure, that of a Dm4/5 (180 ish psi) Same style trigger frame and trigger, same eyes, New lpr(same as dm6) new bolt. still non chip accepting. Ul frame capable, locking feedneck and 2pc barrel standard. lighter than all but the dm6. built in rail in grip frame. new noid.

Dm4 Heaviest and largest in the group, cannot accept no rise feednecks due to the milling. Accepts chips on board. Membrane pad. Has the front on off. Ul barrel stock.

Dm5. SMaller and lighter than the dm4, same features for the most part, slightly more efficient bolt, Externally adjustable trigger, and roller bearing trigger stock. can accept no rise feednecks with no issues. Built in rail on grip frame. dye airport included, and of course, the front on off. Same lpr as dm4/pm5, and same noid. Ul barrel stock.

DMC. Exact same as dm5, one oz lighter, and has cool plastic on the body for a different look.

DM6. The top of the line dye marker at the moment. has self cleaning eyes (which i have had no issues with) New bolt, lower pressure (145ish) more efficient, ultralight frame stock(quite comfy) HUD in grip frame. Non chip accepting. PSP software stock. new lpr, new solenoid. lightest marker on the market at the moment. much smaller than all models. externally adjustable trigger, spring tension adjuster, built in rail. Dye on off airport stock. Thumb tightening feedneck, and ultralight barrel stock.


is there anything else you have questions on? i can tell you the differences no problem!


Also! for non chip accepting boards, 90% of the programming companies we know and love produce both a separate board, or offer a flash.

THAT is what I call a nice answer. Thank you Magman (change your name to MatrixMan )

[magman007]

haha, thanks. If there is anything else you have a question about, let me know, and il get em right to you.

[Death of Rats]

Magman007 I am thinking about getting one of those two markers and as a personal opinion from one that is knowledgable about the operations of these two DM6 or PM6 which would you conisider better price vs operation wise.

I am not taking the looks into account here since both have sleek mill jobs making that come down to opinion. I have not shot either of these markers, I have shot a proto matrix and thought it fired very smoothly. Just from your personal feel of them, what you know about their operations, and maintance
(haven't been out to long so can't entirely know on maintance issues long term, still Dye is a good company for customer support I have heard) .

Is the cost of the Dm6 justified for the gains that you will recieve in your opinion.

From what I can tell the PM6 is about 924 dollars just glancing at froogle and the DM6 is about 1350 dollars. That is a quick look up so both could go for more or less either way.

[magman007]

My personal choice was the dm6, and there are a few reasons behind that decision. First and foremost was the UL frame stock, they cost $250 aftermarket for the other line of markers. Also, the dm6 is the flagship marker, the most technology has gone into it, the most work. The proto is very well made, but it is not the top of the line, balls to the wall dye marker that the dm6 is.

The dm6 also runs on a lower pressure, and is more efficient. The lower pressure means that it will fire even smoother.

Dm6 has the self cleaning eyes, some say they work, some say they dont. I have had no issues with my dm6, the eyes, etc at all.

also, the dm6 is lighter, and i prefer the looks of the dm6 over the pm6. Both are awesome solid markers, and both will perform very well. The dm6 just has that slight edge.

The difference between ordinary and extrordinary, is just that little bit extra

[White_Noise]

ok:


to put all the myths away etc, here is my opinion with backing info on which to get. (Note:i am sponsored by DYE, so i know what im talking about, and my roommate is also a DYE tech)

recocking pressure:
DM6 is slightly lower than a PM6. this translates to less precieved recoil, and has nothing to do with air efficency

operating pressure(from HPR):supposedly the PM6 is slightly higher than a DM6, however this varies from gun to gun. with that: higher OP is related to more efficiency (think about what the tophat mod for matrixes does)

size/weight:
PM6 is lighter/smaller than a DM6. Add a UL frame and it is even lighter

Bolt:
The bolt on both the DM6 and PM6 is nearly identical. the DM6 bolt ends up being longer, which actually makes the gun longer

Solenoid:
DM6 and Pm6 share the same solenoid, so nothing to argue about there.

I think that is all the real technical differences, and now my opinion:

PM6 is by far a better buy than a DM6.
It is smaller, lighter, ends up being more efficient.

The only real downside it has is the lack of the self cleaning eyes(which alot of people have had problems with)

As for the cocking pressure: lift some weights, the recoil on a PM6 is next to nothing, and the difference is hardly noticible with a DM6

Also, one thing that i have noticed about the PM6 that is a major selling point to me is where the hopper is in relationship to the rest of the marker. on a PM6, the hopper sits right above the trigger, whereas with the DM6 the hopper is above the HPR. The PM6 ends up being more balanced, and with the hopper farther back, it is less likely to get hit.

Hope this helps.