is ULT slow?? i dont think so :) VID inside !!

[Z-man]

Bottom line is can you fan a non-reactive trigger to the same speed?

Sure! I's so glad you asked :)

I can get the marker to shoot as slow as 12-13bps and I have a video of me shooting a peak of 16 bps.

I can make the gun rapid-fire at speed I can shoot BUT rapid-fire allows me to excede that.

My Old Max ROF RT Pro Video 13-16bps range

and of course my video demo showing how you can control the speed of rapid-fire

Speed Variations on Rapid-Fire
Complete with sound analysis!

[etjoyride]

Old RT VId link is dead

[Z-man]

Old RT VId link is dead

fixed sorry

[RRfireblade]

Sure! I's so glad you asked :)

I can get the marker to shoot as slow as 12-13bps and I have a video of me shooting a peak of 16 bps.

I can make the gun rapid-fire at speed I can shoot BUT rapid-fire allows me to excede that.

My Old Max ROF RT Pro Video 13-16bps range

and of course my video demo showing how you can control the speed of rapid-fire

Speed Variations on Rapid-Fire
Complete with sound analysis!

What I was getting at is.....do it on NOT a mag. :)

I've got RT # 12 or 13 (I think it is) bought new I'm pretty familiar with 'rapid fire' myself.

[Z-man]

What I was getting at is.....do it on NOT a mag. :)

I can provide a video of over 15bps on several markers but are we going to start narrowing it down to a few "acceptable" choices?

I'll check all my raw video but I think I can show 15+ on an Excal, Viking, E-Mag (in e or hybrid mode) and a Shocker. Are any of those acceptable?

Edit: I think I know where this is going. Ill add "make a video of shooting 15bps on a classic AIR valved Mag" to my list. unless you want to rephrase your argument that will settle that...

[punkncat]

That is an awesome display of mechanical speed.....really nice to see.

Even thought by the letter of the rules the "language" was an issue, I am not nieve enough to believe that kids haven't heard and even said much worse. It is suprizing to me that it was made such an issue. However, just to keep the peace I hope you can find someone to snip the end off and remove the offensive content that appears to be clouding the real point of the video.

[paintman1142]

so what shims did you use, and according to my sources what carriers did you use for your level 10 because they say that fireing like that witht the ULT depends on shims, carriers and imput pressure. I had it go full auto on me a couple of times but i had to adjust it b/c i had a tourny that day that wouldnt allow it.

[atm743]

well i had 4 ult shims and 1 level 10 shim in the ult and i dont recall the level 10 carrier size but the level 10 carrier size is never the same for each valve because orings dont come out perfect everytime. sometimes you may need a small carrier and sometimes you need a big carrier

it just depends

but for the ult i used that many.

for the input pressure i have a 70 4500 crossfire high output reg

soo 850 psi

[RRfireblade]

I can provide a video of over 15bps on several markers but are we going to start narrowing it down to a few "acceptable" choices?

I'll check all my raw video but I think I can show 15+ on an Excal, Viking, E-Mag (in e or hybrid mode) and a Shocker. Are any of those acceptable?

Edit: I think I know where this is going. Ill add "make a video of shooting 15bps on a classic AIR valved Mag" to my list. unless you want to rephrase your argument that will settle that...

Just simply is the reactive trigger aiding in attaining a ROF not attainable without the reactive trigger and using the same method of fire.

I'd say a video fanning or whatever you want to call that method , a stock (non ULT bounce/shim induced , over pressurized , altered on/off assembly , truly semi by definition of most ,etc) Classic valve to 16 would be fine enough assuming it's not edited ot otherwise altered.

We're obviously not talking about walking , hybrid-ing (is that a word?) or bouncing an electro but feel free to act as though you don't know what we're talking about. I'm in a good mood tonight.



See?
:)

[Z-man]

We're obviously not talking about walking , hybrid-ing (is that a word?) or bouncing an electro but feel free to act as though you don't know what we're talking about. I'm in a good mood tonight.



See?
:)

[jenarelJAM]

It'll satisfy me, I like vids
GO Z-MAN

[Lohman446]

I'm going to have to ask you, and I know you very well-You put up a damn good arguement.
How is incomplete sear lockup runaway if the shooter is able to control the speed (ROF) that he/she's shooting at?

First off lets assume the assertion that incomplete sear lock up is present. I don't think runaway is ever really defined. Now, this is going to consider mechanical markers, trigger input and solenoid input may be the same thing if you want to get into electros. We need to decide what runaway is to decide if it is present.

Is run away only when you loose control of the valve and trigger input is not required to shoot it? I think we can all agree that is runaway.

Is run away a condition that happens when a the marker fires more than the trigger is pulled, or when the trigger pulls subsequent to the first require less pressure or travel to cause the marker to fire? I think some people might consider that runaway.

If the marker is not fully mechanically cycling - if the sear is not fully engaging the bolt, I think a fairly compelling argument can be made that short of a full mechanical cycle is run away. Less people will agree, but its still a pretty solid argument.

[SpecialBlend2786]

What I was getting at is.....do it on NOT a mag. :)

I've got RT # 12 or 13 (I think it is) bought new I'm pretty familiar with 'rapid fire' myself.

leather.....pants

[Beemer]

Heres an edit on the vid for ya atm743.

http://home.comcast.net/~beemerone/atmULTedit.mpg

Ok here we go again

Runaway
Bounce
SWEETSPOT
Reactive
Input pressure
Full lock up[sear]


True no. Semi yes. Zak vids runaway, no.

Oh poo. RR east coast, Zak west coast. can you say east meets west.

Can I use 900psi in on a classic? Dont tell no one its rated to 3000.

If it was uncapped full auto, would it be safe to say I want a mag?

Now all we need is a chrono that will read FPS at 26bps.

If its not a full cycle[lockup]wont the fps be off. Isnt it, the faster it shoots the more consistant it is?

AGD the little guy, still King of speed.

Peace Out

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[RRfireblade]

Dude :) ,

What are you worried about? Have I not replied to every post.

I'm saying that would fine now for like the 3rd time. Why are you making this more complicated than it has to be?

And why are you trying to add hostility where none exists?

NO WHERE has there been a Zman is cheating or fibbing about the speed of his videos , it has been nothing more than "Does a reactive trigger aid in a person rate of fire?" Don't turn this into an attack on you where none exists and no attempt at being difficult by anyone (but you) exists.

Honestly I really could care less if you try and prove it or not , anyone who has shot an RT mag knows that it does aid in and enhance your ROF if you know how to take advantage of it. It's really not a debatable discussion, that's way they were made illegal like 10 years ago for Tourny play.

Your videos (in most cases) show you exceeding 16bps with one finger , we know that that fastest pro players in the world are only capable of 16-18 max with 2 fingers on a legally set up semi marker.....anyone past 1 grade can do the math on that one. :)

Sheesh.

Just to keep track:

I'd say a video fanning or whatever you want to call that method , a stock (non ULT bounce/shim induced , over pressurized , altered on/off assembly , truly semi by definition of most ,etc) Classic valve to 16 would be fine enough


:)