Define cheating

[FromTheBack]

Consider this also: you are playing in a tournament (airball I am hypothetically assuming) and you are hit in an area that if you were to check would give the other player you are watching a chance to move up the field. Is it the ref's responsibility to check you or is you checking yourself part of the game? I know I have called for a check before in this situation and checked myself but what do ya'll think?
Also, wiping is prevalent in tournaments and a lot of the time every team will do it. I personally have never wiped in an actual tournament but given the chance to get rid of an easy hit right after I see the guy I shot three times come out of his bunker again makes me have second thoughts. I don't enjoy wiping and I have rarely done it but in situations where every team you play is doing it, it almost seems necessary to win or at least makes me think what I could of done if the hit were to "dissapear."

[hitech]

Where i play woods and scenario we may all be consided cheaters cause we shoot way over regulation FPS of airball or speedball..

But more importantly you are UNSAFE.

[warbeak2099]

Where i play woods and scenario we may all be consided cheaters cause we shoot way over regulation FPS of airball or speedball.. But i'll tell you one thing nobody wants to stay and wipe after i shoot them. Dont get me wrong we aren't popping goggles but its stings just enough to filter out the wipers and cheaters.. Also its much easier to "not get caught" wipin in 5 acres of Everglades so it takes a little more then just integrity.

I hope you and your friends get the living crap knocked out of you by the paintballers you piss off when one of you gets hurt because of your unsafe practices and we all take the rap. Get a clue, there's no good reason to exceed 300fps. If you can justify to yourself that there is a reason, you shouldn't be allowed to operate a paintball marker. You lack the neccesary maturity and responsibility. It's no better than some idiot 12yo who says that wiping is "part of the game".

[SlartyBartFast]

im going to agree with muzikman on this....thats a lesson my dad taught me early on.

Wow. Your dad taught you that's ok to lie, cheat, or steal as long as you don't get caught?

Cheating is cheating whether you get caught or not. The only difference is whether an authority imposes a punishment or not.

Those with decent morals and standards impose the punishment on themselves.

Saying cheating is "part of the game", is the same as saying "white lies" are ok.

Do you cheat or not? Is cheating immoral? Is lying immoral?

What's the circumstance? What's the punishment? What's the risk? What will happen if you don't cheat?

Morals are not black or white. Even the First commandment can be broken. If the church will be flexible on that one, you have a bit of a problem claiming any other moral rule is black and white.

[Surestick]

This is an easy one.

Getting caught doing something that is against the written rules of the game.

The key here is "getting caught" cause remember cheating is only cheating if you get caught.

Watch your step on that slippery slope you are on! :-)
Seriously though, where does that flexible take on morality end? Petty theft? Grand theft? Murder? Ethnic cleansing? Is a crime not a crime if you don't get caught?

...Or were you joking & it went sailing right over my head?

[Despot]

But more importantly you are UNSAFE.

We dont exceed regulation to be unsafe.. under the conditions i play 300 fps isnt enough speed to travel the paint across open fields and through vegitation. It just so happens that the sting that comes along with the increase weeds out cheaters and people who wipe.

Dont missunderstand my intentions Safety is always a paintballars number one goal.

[Lohman446]

We dont exceed regulation to be unsafe.. under the conditions i play 300 fps isnt enough speed to travel the paint across open fields and through vegitation. It just so happens that the sting that comes along with the increase weeds out cheaters and people who wipe.

Dont missunderstand my intentions Safety is always a paintballars number one goal.

If your shooting over 300FPS then no, its not.

[Hexis]

Whenever I'm in doubt about a word, I look it up:

Main Entry: cheat
Pronunciation: 'chEt
Function: verb
transitive senses
1 : to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
2 : to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
3 : to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting
intransitive senses
1 a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly (as at cards or on an examination)
2 : to be sexually unfaithful -- usually used with on

I bolded the bit I find most revelent. To violate rules dishonestly. That's pretty clear if you ask me. For example if calling a ref over is not defined as legal, it's sure not being dishonest. If you play on with an unobvious hit, you are violating the rules, but not dishonestly.

[DarkMag722]

Honestly, define it.

I have heard wiping is just "playing the game".

Of course I have heard the other extreme "while I call myself out on bounces" to imply not doing so is cheating. I have also seen people complain ramping, even when allowed within the rules, is cheating. So... what is cheating?

I think cheating is braking the rules period. It doesnt matter to what extent. If you are not following the rules and instead making it easier for u, than your cheating. And thats BS WIPING IS CHEATING> IF YOU DONT AGREE I DONT CARE!!!!!!! IF YOU GET HIT U R OUT!!!!!!!!!!! Just follow the rules. If you dont want to dont play.

[slade]

I bolded the bit I find most revelent. To violate rules dishonestly. That's pretty clear if you ask me. For example if calling a ref over is not defines as legal, it's sure not being dishonest. If you play on with an unobvious hit, you are violating the rules, but not dishonestly.

*high five*

youve got it.

[shartley]

[slade]

I think cheating is braking the rules period. It doesnt matter to what extent. If you are not following the rules and instead making it easier for u, than your cheating. And thats BS WIPING IS CHEATING> IF YOU DONT AGREE I DONT CARE!!!!!!! IF YOU GET HIT U R OUT!!!!!!!!!!! Just follow the rules. If you dont want to dont play.

your exemplary spelling really helps your point of view.

read my post again. are you sure youve followed the rules exactly?

[Despot]

I hope you and your friends get the living crap knocked out of you by the paintballers you piss off when one of you gets hurt because of your unsafe practices and we all take the rap. Get a clue, there's no good reason to exceed 300fps. If you can justify to yourself that there is a reason, you shouldn't be allowed to operate a paintball marker. You lack the neccesary maturity and responsibility. It's no better than some idiot 12yo who says that wiping is "part of the game".

I can understand your reaction to my comment Warbeak2099.. but no one gets hurt as a result of a mere increase in FPS.. The ironic thing is that the players that get hurt are the ones who dont call out and keep in game after being marked. Maybe i do lack maturity or experience and im sorry if you deem our practices wrong.

Thank you for making note of that on forum..

[sbpyro]

We dont exceed regulation to be unsafe.. under the conditions i play 300 fps isnt enough speed to travel the paint across open fields and through vegitation. It just so happens that the sting that comes along with the increase weeds out cheaters and people who wipe.

Dont missunderstand my intentions Safety is always a paintballars number one goal.

Now I play scenario, woodsball and speedball on occassion. And rarely is my velocity over 275. I don't have issues with vegatation or open fields because if you can't reach then you are too far away from the person to take the shot.

[mobsterboy]

We dont exceed regulation to be unsafe.. under the conditions i play 300 fps isnt enough speed to travel the paint across open fields and through vegitation. It just so happens that the sting that comes along with the increase weeds out cheaters and people who wipe.

Dont missunderstand my intentions Safety is always a paintballars number one goal.

Shoot a pair of your average masks that you wear for "protection" at 25 feet, then another at 10, then another at 50. Tell me once all three are busted through that playing over 300 fps is keeping "safety ...number one goal". Im not flaming, I used to play this way too. Although, i had more of the nail gun than a wimpy gun. I had an automag, and when i came on this forum, i had no idea what ppl were talking about, because i had my mag cranked to about 340 and it never broke paint, the lvl 7 bolt was just nice like that. But when i was shooting it and broke through a mask i had set up about a 100 feet away, I turned it down to 280ish. My number one concern isnt fun, or safety, its making sure that everyone goes home with the same number of eyeballs intact and fully working just like they arrived with


Lohman, i dont know if you just like to start controversial threads or if you were really wondering. I consider cheating ANYTHING that gives one player the upper hand/an unfair advantage over another player. This used to be ramping, and i still think it is, but with my angel, i've gotten used to it. Wiping? It's always been around and always will. IMO, if they wipe in a tournament, they should be banned for a year straight, no exceptions. Wiping would be defined as seeing the hit, "Wiping the hit", not asking for a paint check, and continue playing. As far as faster fps, ramping higher, if it was all 15, a faster gun would be easier to recognize, and faster, well, put a special tip to measure the fps via bluetooth is the best idea i have. Not really a bad idea if you wanted to regulate this. You could measure bps too