Define cheating

[hitech]

Don't misunderstand my intentions Safety is always a paintballars number one goal.

If your shooting over 300FPS then no, its not.

That says it all....

[hitech]

If you intentionally break the rules you are cheating.

QTF and because it's the same thing I said...

[FoxTrot88]

I hope you and your friends get the living crap knocked out of you by the paintballers you piss off when one of you gets hurt because of your unsafe practices and we all take the rap. Get a clue, there's no good reason to exceed 300fps. If you can justify to yourself that there is a reason, you shouldn't be allowed to operate a paintball marker. You lack the neccesary maturity and responsibility. It's no better than some idiot 12yo who says that wiping is "part of the game".

Gentlemen, No sport is 100% safe, and although there are certain guidelines to minimize the chance of injury, they do not guarantee absolute safety under any circumstance. One of the important things that Despot did not mention was the fact that we play RENEGADE ball, and are not bound by ANY so-called tournament rules. WE make our rules. WE play our game the way WE see fit. Everyone who partakes in our games of simulation combat knows the risks, otherwise they would not participate in our forest romping. Can't hack? Stay in the NZ with your momma. Otherwise gear up, and lets talk tactics. As far as the definition of "cheating" is concerned, cheating is anything done beyond the parameters of the basic rules set in place before the beginning of each game. Wiping is cheating if the paintball breaks on contact with a legal area, and the player KNOWINGLY CHOOSES to smother/wipe/remove the hit in order to make it seem as if he was not marked. Cheating is also knowingly IGNORING a hit. Cheating might also be: using "out of bounds" areas to make field movements, or calling out in order to lure in unsuspecting targets into the massacre and then continue playing...... If you'd consider it cheating only if you get caught, then it sounds like a personal issue; one of ethics, or pride, or maybe you just haven't played paintball is 2 months and you "dun giv a phuu". In either case, every set of rules have their technicalities, so it all depends on what is legal in order root out what isn't.


"Hey Manolo... Look at the Pelican! Flyyy PELICAN!!"

[hitech]

... we play RENEGADE ball, and are not bound by ANY so-called tournament rules. WE make our rules. WE play our game the way WE see fit. Everyone who partakes in our games of simulation combat knows the risks, otherwise they would not participate in our forest romping...

You are still unsafe. You are violating the safety standard that the industry follows. Should someone get hurt and decide to sue one of you the "Everyone who partakes in our games of simulation combat knows the risks, otherwise they would not participate" logic won't get you anywhere.

. Can't hack? Stay in the NZ with your momma.

When I started playing no one chronoed. When they finally started the first game was delayed about 30 minutes because only two of us could chrono under 325. Most everyone were between 350 and 375. I've played with people shooting well over 400. So, I can hack, but that doesn't make it safe.

Bottom line, you are unsafe...

[Lohman446]

Gentlemen, No sport is 100% safe, and although there are certain guidelines to minimize the chance of injury, they do not guarantee absolute safety under any circumstance. One of the important things that Despot did not mention was the fact that we play RENEGADE ball, and are not bound by ANY so-called tournament rules. WE make our rules. WE play our game the way WE see fit. Everyone who partakes in our games of simulation combat knows the risks, otherwise they would not participate in our forest romping. Can't hack? Stay in the NZ with your momma.

:rofl: :rofl: OMG... your so hardcore, I'm just in awe of your presence

Not ridiculous, just stupid. OMG... I'm playing hardcore paintball, everyone be so impressed

Its a joke. Thinking playing this game makes you hardcore, is a joke.

Gee - as far as hacking it. I've participated in sports that have resulted in having sidekicks thrown at me by well trained people. I think I can hack your 3 gram frangible projectile at any speed.

[FoxTrot88]

:rofl: :rofl: OMG... your so hardcore, I'm just in awe of your presence

Not ridiculous, just stupid. OMG... I'm playing hardcore paintball, everyone be so impressed

Its a joke. Thinking playing this game makes you hardcore, is a joke.

Gee - as far as hacking it. I've participated in sports that have resulted in having sidekicks thrown at me by well trained people. I think I can hack your 3 gram frangible projectile at any speed.

Say what you will. I didn't post my opinion to impress any of you. I don't think I'm hardcore just because I play a certain way, I just prefer it. If anything, you think I'm hardcore, and I really appreciate it! Sidekicks and projectiles are two different things that are involved in seperate contexts, but I'm almost sure if I kicked you OR shot you in the throat you would buckle at the knees. I admit, we might not play as "safe" as tournament regulation suggests to, but like I said before, there are MANY factors involved in paintball that make it potentially dangerous and unsafe.

"Joo wanna play ruff?"

[Lohman446]

Say what you will. I didn't post my opinion to impress any of you. I don't think I'm hardcore just because I play a certain way, I just prefer it. :

Right

we play RENEGADE ball, and are not bound by ANY so-called tournament rules. WE make our rules. WE play our game the way WE see fit. Everyone who partakes in our games of simulation combat knows the risks, otherwise they would not participate in our forest romping. Can't hack? Stay in the NZ with your momma

As to being impressed... try again.

[deathstalker]

Say what you will. I didn't post my opinion to impress any of you. I don't think I'm hardcore just because I play a certain way, I just prefer it. If anything, you think I'm hardcore, and I really appreciate it! Sidekicks and projectiles are two different things that are involved in seperate contexts, but I'm almost sure if I kicked you OR shot you in the throat you would buckle at the knees. I admit, we might not play as "safe" as tournament regulation suggests to, but like I said before, there are MANY factors involved in paintball that make it potentially dangerous and unsafe.

"Joo wanna play ruff?"

Most of the time I let certain people dig their own grave, but it's difficult to tell if you really are this irresponsible. The internationally-recognized maximum velocity during a game of paintball is 300fps. This speed limit is in place due to the small amount of force needed to break a bone in the average hand. The most important factor in safety is the players. Whether or not you and others knowingly accept the risks involved is irrelevant. The only reason paintball is as safe as it is, despite any inherent risks, is because of people who actually care about safety, be it at an insured field or renegade.

I've seen a number of unsafe playing conditions at insured fields, many of which are due to the use of CO2. I regularly have to remind players to keep their tanks out of the sun, please don't chrono while there is frost on a tank, please point the marker in the correct direction when unscrewing the tank, and for chrissakes check the hydro date! Most people completely forget about this when it comes to CO2. I still have to make the typical safety remarks, too. Every time I play, I have to tell at least one person to put their goggles back on. About every other game, I have to remind someone about their barrel condom. You cannot rely on refs, field staff, and friends to take care of these things for you. First, they can't be everywhere all the time. Second, some of them appear to be just as apathetic about safety as players like you. I cannot stress enough how players are the only reason paintball is as safe (as I say) or as dangerous (as you say) as it is.

[buzzboy]

Gentlemen, No sport is 100% safe......

Um, isn't chess a sport


I find wiping to be the worst form of cheating. Such as it car racing it would be taking the engine out of the other guys car. He has no chance.

Ramping(illegaly) would be like racing your "stock" car against somebody who has a "stock" car with NOS and you don't know.

That I know of I have never cheated. Actually a lot of the people I play with are honest. But some are just the opposite. Though most everybody, even the dishonest ones, calls paintchecks on themselves.


Cheaters never win, but most winners cheat!

[slade]

Um, isn't chess a sport

well, ive seen some pretty fierce chess matches in my time...

[SCpoloRicker]

well, ive seen some pretty fierce chess matches in my time...

Kasporovowned!

[mobsterboy]

Gentlemen, No sport is 100% safe, and although there are certain guidelines to make the chance of injury so miniscule that the only ones truly injured are the idiots that forget their masks stay on at all times, they guarantee absolute safety if everyone follows the rules. One of the important things that Despot did not mention was the fact that we play RENEGADE ball, and are not bound by ANY so-called tournament rules. WE are idiots. WE find that shooting balls at speeds far greater than their intended greatly decrease our overall IQ and make us look like noobs. Everyone who partakes in our games are dumb for even thinking that its a good idea to participate with people who have legions in their brains the size of grapefruits for thinking that by cranking up speeds makes the game more rebelious and fun.. Can't hack? Take a computer hacking class, cuz joo aint 7331 enough.

corrected for truthfulness

[Toll]

Er...I don't know what you guys are shooting but I've railed on my Pos Scott mask with my matrix at 350 across the goggles and it didn't really do much.


300 fps is the max because, as mentioned earlier, the smaller bones in the hand. If you were wearing decent gloves/padding (as if you were doing the milsim stuff) you could probably get away with 320 or so without alot of problems, assuming there was no stupid stuff going on.


To even pass the saftey inspection I believe they get ballbearings fired at them, or so I was told(feild owner tested at 280 fps the lenses only cracked after being hit. 2 consecutive hits cracked it quite a bit though). Seems 320 doesnt seem to be too bad. If you were firing 400+ you're getting into what would be considered a low velocity rifle..Which is ofcourse bad.

[coyote]

A breif definition that I believe covers it all.

Cheating- Intentional violation of the rules or standards of a game for the purpose of adding to a players advantage.

[Z-man]

A good way to eyeball any action you take in life that can also be applied to paintball (my dad taught me).

"If you have to do it in secret, there is probably something wrong with it."

Hence I would tweak that into:

"If the whole field could see what you are doing would you still do it?"

Of course this only applies to those who have a conscience...