"I DO NOT SHIP FIRST UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES" Thoughts?

[Lohman446]

Honest line out of the BST forum. Ironically from a person who has minimal posts on the board. Personally when I see a line like this, regardless of any deal there, I simply decide not to deal with the person for attitude reasons. Its not a safety issue, I have no problem shipping first to the right person with adequate feedback, or someone I have "known" for long enough. It just strikes me when people instantly expect that they are so trustworthy to not have to ship first under any circumstance that they are not someone I want to deal with. I understand a reluctance to ship first but isn't this statement going a little far? There is a risk to both sides in any trading, and to state regardless of anything else you won't take that risk seems a bit... well its not an attitude I want to deal with

Thoughts? Am I just being equally a jerk about it? Personally I don't care. I don't need to do business with anyone and when I get that attiude I simply don't. Am I the only one?

[Pneumagger]

I would tell the guy to go to ebay then. I mean, if he's an average to newer member.

I feel there is no problem shipping first to someone who is a trusted member by most. The odds of a frequent good trader sacrificing his good name to possibly scam you are pretty slim.

But some people don't feel safe. And that can be understandable. Perhaps thay would go the third party route.

[Skittle]

I agree with you, noone wants to deal with anyone like that. Espically when they have no credability (sp?). Its a pretty stupid statement. I wouldnt do buisness with anyone like that.

I dont post a whole lot, however I do read a lot and that leads me to believe you probably are being a jerk about it.

[Lohman446]

The thing is, I tend to read from bottom up. I read that and instantly decided I did not want to deal wtih the person. Now there are other reasons I was not even interested, but I just read that and thought, wow - no way would I deal with someone who worded it that way. When I see "I have feedback and probably will not be shipping first" it doesn't bother me. When I see I will not, end of discussion... well it is.

[hitech]

Am I the only one?

Nope, I'd be the same way. I don't really trade, but attitude is soemthing I look for when deciding to buy...

[BigEvil]

That person is so concerned about being ripped off, but has no concept that anyone else would be as well.

I read immaturity into things like that and avoid these people at all costs. Most of the time whatever you are getting would not be worth the grief it takes to get it. You see a ton of BS like that on PBN. If someone has 6 posts, no feedback, then why should I trust that person, and then what the hell is the feedback system for?

[ShooterJM]

Honest line out of the BST forum. Ironically from a person who has minimal posts on the board. Personally when I see a line like this, regardless of any deal there, I simply decide not to deal with the person for attitude reasons. Its not a safety issue, I have no problem shipping first to the right person with adequate feedback, or someone I have "known" for long enough. It just strikes me when people instantly expect that they are so trustworthy to not have to ship first under any circumstance that they are not someone I want to deal with. I understand a reluctance to ship first but isn't this statement going a little far? There is a risk to both sides in any trading, and to state regardless of anything else you won't take that risk seems a bit... well its not an attitude I want to deal with

Thoughts? Am I just being equally a jerk about it? Personally I don't care. I don't need to do business with anyone and when I get that attiude I simply don't. Am I the only one?

No, I feel the exact same way. I've read many posts like that and laughed.

[CKY_Alliance]

I've done many on line gun trades, some money involved others not and i had no problem shipping first when the person had adequate(sp?) feedback, of course i would generally call them and talk to them on the phone,just makes me feel better, well this was untill my last ordeal..where i had to get police involved and wait like 2 months for the gun while the guy had my gun on his possesion i made a thread about it..after this i've considered putting I dont not ship first in my Bs/t threads and if people don't like it then they will just have to move along...I dont know though after nearly loseing 1,000+ dollars worth of gear im leary about shipping first, then again at almost the same time as the proto trade i sold my dm4 to a gentlmen, and i shipped first and only thing keeping him from stealing my gun was a whole 100 dollars...not much, i forgot the point i was trying to make...

[wimag]

[QUOTE=Lohman446]
Thoughts? Am I just being equally a jerk about it? QUOTE]

yes you are. sorry dude that is just my thought on it. you could have handled this better as opposed to singling this person out. If he did not directly offend you by PM or text then this thread is not really necessary.

[AutomagRT1483]

Nothing wrong with saying that. I do it in all of my FS/FT threads and I have everything come through ok. You need to understand that there is the rip off factor to be accounted for in every trade. Luckily, when I put that statement in mine it keeps the potential for rip offs to a bare minimum. And yes, I have been ripped off before and Im sure it may happen again. But I look at it as a sense of security in a dealing with someone you may only know by there reputation on the internet and have yet to meet that person face to face.

[SpitFire1299]

I have had a person ship first with that in there topic.. its just one of things for stupid kids with ions and no feedback......... i would hope.

[Lohman446]

yes you are. sorry dude that is just my thought on it. you could have handled this better as opposed to singling this person out. If he did not directly offend you by PM or text then this thread is not really necessary.

I didn't name names, and it happens enough :). Now, might I be being a jerk. Sure, I admit that, I often am. The thing is, well I just am and Im ok with that. I did take some effort though not to single out any person by name, and it is fairly common.

[back2integrity]

You're not being a jerk. If somebody isn't even willing to ship first to someone like Tunaman or Rogue, then they are the ones with a problem most likely. Yes, I understand the fear of being scammed, but how many businesses would say "Ok, we'll send you the item first and you pay us when it arrives." And some of the traders and business owners here on AO have far better customer service than many popular online stores.

[hitech]

[...singling this person out.

Who was singled out?!?

[warbeak2099]

I guess they're trying to use a sort of reverse psychology to prove that they're trustworthy. They're trying to elicit the response, "wow this guy doesn't have time for BS" or, "hey he's no nonsense".