My 2 cents on Electrics

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by steveg
its
not like you can shake the water off an rt and start firing
right away either.

Actually you can. In the RT manual it says if you need a quick cleaning completely submerse the gun in water and swish it around. Dry fire the gun to get the water out of the barrel and you are ready to rock.

[steveg]

don't you think it would help to remove all the gooey
balls from the hopper and feed tube first

[Drizit]

I don't own an electro, but that's just because i haven't found one i realy like, except the emag. i don't know what it is but i shot it and liked it as much as my micro so.... i however don't have the budget at the moment. as i'm in school, paying for insurance, desiel, hydro, rent, phone.... the list goes on. however once i graduate and start working full time again all that will change. but i have shot a good number of the high end electros out there and most just don't do it for me. now for some people it's what they want, and hey what ever does it for you. Also when it comes to spray and pray my tippmann m98 is about as bad as you get, reactive trigger, co2, no expantion, stock barrel. when i take it out the groupings look like a shotgun at long range, and i lay more paint with it then most people with angels do in a game. i'd hate to be on the wrong end of that thing with in about 30ft. also it makes me feel good knowing that the guy behind me is using a fast gun that he is comfertable with, but the fast part is a big thing, i don't care how comfertable he is i don't want my back player with a pump, you can't keep someone pinned verry well with one. there is no intimidation factor.

now to be fair it's not cool to take any gun, much less an electro that will scare the crap out of new players and renters and just go ape on them. they won't enjoy their day and won't come back.

[Hasty8]

You're missing a great opportunity here PB!

Originally posted by PBpunk
i personaly like mechanical guns just cause i love to take em apart and learn exactly how they work. and i have no idea how any electonics work so i could never do that with a electronic gun. but i have played with angels, hyper frames, e-mags, and a few other e-guns and i have to say it is really fun to go crazy on the trigger with one of those. but i really hate it when i just go out to play for fun and there is a kid in the back with an angel that his rich dad bought him shelling out hopper after hopper from the closest bunker that he could get to off the break because he is a wuss. but in the hands of a skilled player an electro can be an awsome marker. i understand that as a back player in a tourny you have to dump loads of paint as cover fire. but playing rec you dont and it makes it a lot less fun for any newbies playing. i have no problem with high rof and i dont mind getting hit with 8 balls and i think that there is an advantage to using a high rof but you dont need to hold the trigger down the whole game and the guys useing them HAVE to use good judgement like they dont go out there and shoot 14 bps at a bunch of rentals and use high rof conservitively. but for now i am going to stick with my cocker (i can get off a quick string when i need to)

When this newb with the angel takes out his shovel and digs himself in behind the first bunker he finds use this as practice! This is a great situation to use some skills or make up new ones.

[Drizit]

hey let 'em dig in and lay it. only means that when he stops to reload you can run up the tape and do'em.

[Magsrule3]

[QUOTE][QUOTE] Its very simple... Im my opinion they are way to over priced. the emag is a good gun but not 900 dollers worth, and statisticly emags are more prone to break downs and problems due too the added electric parts (more parts more potential problems) Emags electrics are sensitive i had a buddie take a fall and his pack hit the ground, his mechanics worked fine but his electrics wont work. So where did u come up with theses statistics? Hmmmm, statistcally newbies are more prone to lie then other people.

[Nitroduck]

First off electrics are very smooth guns but the problem stems from the fact that they are not being designed to be rough and tough.... Sure U can get an angel it will fire smooth and very fast but u knock it hard one time and it breaks, sand, water... battery dieing out The emag is comming along, its half way between Electric smooth and AK 47 tough but not quite there yet..

Actually, its just the opposite.

Most electronic guns can take any weather. Want an example?

A friend of mine played a winter league tournament with a bushmaster. He was playing in freezing rain. The rain got into his ram/board and froze into ice. It did NOTHING to the gun.

Another thing is, some people whine about 'how quick' electros break down. This is a big falacy. Why? I know people that are huge time tourney players on 10man teams and they're putting 500k+ shots through thier guns and they arent breaking much more than 5 cent orings. Now, if its in 1 year, and you take any pneumatic gun, and spread the same # of shots over the same time as 10 years , what gun is more reliable? People like you are going to say the mechanical gun even though its a falacy.

I've rarely had any problems with an electronic gun. And most problems I have had were stemmed from Orings, both mechanical guns and electronic guns have those.

Whats the fun in going electic? So u can shoot faster then everyone else. Does that make u a better player in some way?
Thats why I have so much respect for pump players they are truly killer players..

Oh it does make you a better player in some cases.

At Zap IAO, I was lucky enough to try out 2 guns over my Automag. A Angel LED and a Emag.

In the games I was shooting out 1 person or less in each game with my mag and I was using 200rds a game..

Switch to Angel, it was a different story. In 1 game I took out about 4 people using LESS paint. Why? Faster firing for short periods of time enable me to take out snapshooters and runners.

Emag provided the same results, not only for me but for my brother as well who uses a Cocker (and never used warp feed either).

Pump players have skill, I played stock class for my 1st year of paintball and I think it made me a more conservative on paint, however, I realize mass ammounts of paint need to be used in some situations...Thats where you NEED a electro.

When I ref i see all these people decked out in electics blowing hopper after hopper, the only reason they get any hits is couse they hit EVERYTHING

Maybe these people with electros just aren't skilled? Have you ever seen a deacent team play that has electros? They can mop up very quickly.

One other thing you forget, winning is winning. If you wanted to win, and you had to use 100 more paintballs in that game, would you? I would.

Electrics come with way to may possible problems that cannot be fixed by the common paintballer less they have a high degree of electronics experties

Very few problems stem from the electronics themselves. Most problems with ANY electro are derived from overpressurizing the solenoid or Oring wear.

And last time I checked, if you had a cocker and didnt know much and it broke, you were screwed. All guns take some sort of expertiese to fix. Even a Mag.
Stick with killer mechanics is the way I am going.. Il take a sweet *** RT over an EMAG anyday or a tricked cocker... They are just more fun in my eyes you can actually work on them without total fear of shorting out a bord

Also Electrics are WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY too overpriced.. gimmy a break already, there isnt that much of electrical inginuity placed into these guns.....2k for a tricked angel? 1.400 for a slf emag? compare that to a Laptop? prices are almost the same but u can do a hell of alot more with a laptop not only that but there is 1000 times more electrical thaught in the laptops then an Electric marker.... Now if they made an electric marker that didnt use anytype of Air, CO2 just purly electric neumatic then i could see why it would cost so much,

$1300 for a SFL Autococker?
$1100 for a Sonic Cocker?
$1300 for a KAPP Flame cocker that doesnt even have a barrel or reg?
Palmer charges upwards of $800 for thier custom pneumatic guns, and I've seen Mags go for $1200 and still be pneumatic.

I am appauled at how retarded your comments are 'a electronic paintball gun can do less than a laptop' Dont you realize most electronic guns only have a $50 PCB board and a $50-$100 solenoid? Thier prices are high because of the fact its HAND MADE. Technicians sit down and put every part together on the gun and test, and retest it. Thats something that laptops dont have. Theres also supply and demand. Laptops are a mainstay of SOCIETY and millions upon millions own them. If WDP or AGD sold 1million electros a year, I can guarentee you they'd be charging nearly half of what they are now.

I can also remind you of the abacus, compare that to a laptop why dont you...Electros have a niche in the market just like Pneumatic guns do.

Just my two cents worth... I am a mechanic lover is all...

What do you guys think of electrics?

I think electros are the greatest thing since semis themselves. Its just a evolutionary process. Evolve or die.

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by steveg
don't you think it would help to remove all the gooey
balls from the hopper and feed tube first

DOH! got me there...

[Drizit]

by the way, just a side note on electro relyablity.

a friend of mine just bought a '97 LED angel, i don't think the gun has ever had any work done to it.
first off the gun and reg were full of mud. everything on the inside was coated (i'm not kidding)
second the reg still had the origonal grease that WDP used when they built the gun.

you know why we pulled it apart? it was a bit inconsistant over the chrony.

and trust me from looking at the outside i'd say it's been abused. that says somthing about the quality, and dependiblity of that electro.

[Hasty8]

R U sure or just talking?

Originally posted by LqdTECH
Its very simple... Im my opinion they are way to over priced. the emag is a good gun but not 900 dollers worth, and statisticly emags are more prone to break downs and problems due too the added electric parts (more parts more potential problems) Emags electrics are sensitive i had a buddie take a fall and his pack hit the ground, his mechanics worked fine but his electrics wont work.

Just saying il take an AK over an M14 anyday may not be as smooth but u can use it barried in sand.

Emags are fragile, huh? Let's take a look back to last summer at the 48 hour scenario game at Skirmish. If no one has played night games in a forest you can trust me when I say that once you are in the woods after dark with no lights on you really can't see your hands right in front of your face.

I took a spill, slammed my Emag on a tree limb so hard it broke it and then my Emag landed on a rock, my barrel dug into the ground abour 3 inches and my hopper fell off.

All I had to do was swab the barrel and everything was fine.

[MAGS own YOU]

Re: R U sure or just talking?

Originally posted by Hasty8


Emags are fragile, huh? Let's take a look back to last summer at the 48 hour scenario game at Skirmish. If no one has played night games in a forest you can trust me when I say that once you are in the woods after dark with no lights on you really can't see your hands right in front of your face.

I took a spill, slammed my Emag on a tree limb so hard it broke it and then my Emag landed on a rock, my barrel dug into the ground abour 3 inches and my hopper fell off.

All I had to do was swab the barrel and everything was fine.

It shot fine, but bet there was a couple of deep gashes and knarls.