Designing a "cheater" system

[Lohman446]

You opened two threads, another was started based on your accusation.

Illustrate you points in one thread if you can. Otherwise you're just trying to avoid the opinion that stacked up against you in the other thread.

That's my opinion at least.

Seriously, how many analogies do you need to come up with to illustrate the same point? And how do you expect anyone to respect your other thread when the point is the same, and the analogy is shot down with exactly the same counter arguments.

Sorry.

Actually my opinion is pretty self serving. The more its attacked the stronger it becomes

[SlartyBartFast]

Actually my opinion is pretty self serving. The more its attacked the stronger it becomes

Only in your own mind. Only in your own mind....

Repeating the same thing over and over again neither proves a point or convinces others. No more than repeating "The Earth is flat" will prove or convince me of the Earth's flatness.

While I (and others) have challenged your position, questioned your analogies, and attacked your methods, I haven't rabidly defended Mags or been the hypocrit you accuse AO members of being.

I do however refuse to see the world in black and white, and I'm baffled at what you really want to prove by your little hissy fit against Mags and AO members.

You continue however to avoid defending or discussing your point of view and hypocirtically avoiding the open discussion you so vociferously demand of others.

Pathetic. The more you troll, the more my opinion of you decends. I used to stalk your threads because I respected your opinion (even if I didn't always agree). I think you've successfully changed my motivation.

Seems to me you've come to the point that many in on-line communities come to. You've lost the passion, but are still addicted.

You're just looking for one last pat on the back, proof you're right, so that you can leave and feel all warm, fuzzy and superior. Sorry to disappoint.

[Pneumagger]

woah... Slarty
Go sit down in the corner now. That was so mean. I'm saddened now for some reason.

[Lohman446]

I have a theory, I voiced it, it directly involved AOers. My opinion was questioned so I made two threads to try to illustrate my point. Both threads may serve to prove me wrong. THink what you will of the threads but they served a purpose. Whats the purpose of the attacks that seem to take both threads away from the discussion presented? Is there a concern, if left to discuss the topic matter of these two threads, may prove my point? Frankly I was stuck in a point of having to admit I might be wrong, but the threads have been so overwhelmed by discussion outside of the thread topic that its impossible for them to serve any purpose.

[SlartyBartFast]

Is there a concern, if left to discuss the topic matter of these two threads, may prove my point?

The statement I quoted from you above, coupled with the complete lack of counter arguments when you are challenged has CLEARLY shown that you aren't interessted in considering you might be wrong.

Hell, noone could prove you wrong because your being so evasive about what your point is anyways.

To be blunt, you're simply being an instigateur.

I've made plenty of on topic points against you and your position. You've ignored them all.

You aren't interested in discussiong or considering your point. You simply want to tire everyone out in multiple threads until they give up indisgust. I'm assuming after that point we'll see a triumphant "I'm right, AO is wrong post".

The fact that I'm the only one stubborn enough to continue and the absense of any of the respected regulars highlights that the others seem to have given up on you. You couldn't defend you position in the opther thread, you ran away here.

Get over it. Sure RT or runaway might be as bad as another form of cheating, but they are EASILY avoided or malfunctions of the system. Not built in modes that are now accepted as are electronic aides.

Besides the fact that AGD RT mode is still within the letter of the rule saying one pull, one shot. There's no way ramping or other electronic aide comes close to respecting that.

[hitech]

Besides the fact that AGD RT mode is still within the letter of the rule saying one pull, one shot.

Actually, no it is not. The rules state that the pull AND release must be DELIBERATE.

[SCpoloRicker]

Geez, turn down the sensitivity knob a bit...

[Lohman446]

Are you saying an RT marker doesnt require a release of force?

I think a strong argument could be made that unless very carefully set up there is a point in the trigger that does not require you to release force. If you are pulling with two lbs of force and it kicks back with four as you continue to pull, there is no release needed.

I'm not trying to call anything wrong with the marker. I love the RT for what it is. I also have no issue noting the flaws that it has.

As to the "letter of the rule"

7.3.7. A marker that has not been fired within the previous second may fire no more than one shot per press and release of the trigger until after the marker has been fired three times.

6.31 The definition of a trigger is the moveable lever or button that comes in contact with the finger. The contacts of a switch are not a trigger. A trigger pull requires an exertion of force by the finger on the trigger and a release of force by the finger on the trigger during every firing cycle.

Now, I acknowledge that a very carefully tuned mag can be made to fall into this, but release is a release of the pulling pressure (the NPPL rules are clear it does) - at least to my interpertation, no doubt others are going to be different. I think it also evident by the RT trigger return that there maybe an issue.

[Lohman446]

You aren't interested in discussiong or considering your point.

Thanks for letting me know that. I thought I was...

As to running away to these threads - the intent when I made them was to link these threads once discussion was going for illustrative purposes. It was not me who moved this discussion into these threads. There's a thread on the discussion already, and yeh, I defend my position in these threads, but this thread, when started and until the discussion was brought to them, were meant as illustrations.