All Downhill From Here?

[Arstron]

It would be a panther...

... I would love to see a picture of the panther, I wonder how it compared to similar markers today.

[eNder159]

straight from the horses mouth

[hitech]

And diehard Mag users (read : zealots) simply echoed the AGD mantra while bashing anyone who saw things differently.

I'm a "diehard" mag user and not a zealot. And I don't bash those with different opinions. The eMag was the best choice for me when I purchased it. It still does everything I want it to do, and does things I can't find in other markers.

[athomas]

There are a few mag users where I play. There are no autocockers. The majority of newer players who play speedball use Ions because they are cheap and fast right out of the box. The fact that I see a lot of people working on them to keep them going doesn't concern buyers. Other popular guns include Tippmans and Spyders. These are owned by woodsballers. The automag is considered a luxury gun by woodsballers. It is considered an entry level gun by speedballers. AGD is stuck in the middle. Perception is AGD's biggest prolem.

[SCpoloRicker]

I'm a "diehard" mag user and not a zealot. And I don't bash those with different opinions. The eMag was the best choice for me when I purchased it. It still does everything I want it to do, and does things I can't find in other markers.

C'mon, man, you can't respond to a Sam troll.

[hitech]

Things are quite enough around here that I respond to anything I can think of a responce for...

[Muzikman]

this company isn't going down is it, because I think the guy at boston paintball was telling the truth. he was saying how mags ar not popular (totally wrong) and how the company is run out of some guy's house. I think he was trying to talk crap about AGD so I would buy a better gun from him. i dont know.

Mags are not nearly as popular as they have been in the past.

When Tom was running AGD it could have been said that it was run out of his house as he seemed to spend more time there than at his house.
:)

[shartley]

I'm a "diehard" mag user and not a zealot. And I don't bash those with different opinions. The eMag was the best choice for me when I purchased it. It still does everything I want it to do, and does things I can't find in other markers.

I was not inferring that all diehard Mag users were zealots. I apologize if that is how it looked. My intent was to further categorize a certain user, more like a sub group.

[Muzikman]

AGD has always been a niche market (and company) IMHO (and interested more in LE and Military sales than paintball imh), no matter how much AGD wanted to bust out and lead the pack.

You must not have been playing paintball in the mid 90's. :)

[KC]

Your other post was already responded to with many of the answers to your worries. Here it is again:

My other post was flawed. That is why this one has different wording. Die hard AGD fans found ways of dumbing down and steping around the other post.

Here it is again in detail:

1) Xmags/Emags are no longer produced.

(you can buy a etach or a custome-emag but once they run out of lower ends thats the end.) A custom emag has the same upper end as a $350.00 rt. so at $1,000.00 the lower end cost the customer $650.00. IMO, the price tag is the reason they are still available.

2) Tom retired from AGD

yes he still posts on ao

3) Deadlywind has stopped building bodies for AGD markers

and after email communication with deadlywind they "doubt" they will build the karta again.

4) Slug bodie no longer availabe

Manufacturing issues (will find link) even if "out of stock" was true without deadlywind it won't matter either way.

5) Colored X-valve no longer available

(will find link)

6) Replacement ACE no longer available

AGD commented that they would have to buy 100 to re-stock them and they dont plan on it

7) AO is paid for out of pocket by Tom (thanks) Not sponsored by AGD

(will find link) quote was more or less "agd didnt aquire all my bills I still need to find a way to pay for ao" + all the AGD=tom threads about fees and banner space

8) Very few retailers stock AGD markers compared to years past

notice the NEW wording

9) AGD europe is focusing on distribution/sales for "National"

10) AGD has not released a new marker or a major upgrade in the last 2 years.

[shartley]

You must not have been playing paintball in the mid 90's. :)

Not as much as I would have liked. I didn't get into playing on a regular basis until after that... although I have been playing since the mid-late 80's.

[SCpoloRicker]

Not as much as I would have liked. I didn't get into playing on a regular basis until after that... although I have been playing since the mid-late 80's.

Muz's point is that from, say '93ish through around '97-'98, mags and cockers were the bees' knees.

[Pneumagger]

Backin 97, mags were the thing to have. You showed up to a field with a minimag, and you were picked first. period. They were all over APG magazines, and the RT was the stuff of legends. The RT was the gun that put nitro into the main scene. If the RT was merely a niche gun, nitro would not be where it is today.


And yes... I can see AGD slowly going the way of the dodo. Sure, AGD isn't closing it's doors. But it's not fighting to keep 'em open either. I would charactarize AGD as a once superpower turned apathetic.

[Tool-of-death]

Yup AGD is going down the toilet. The only reason that I see that mags are not popular is the fact that the fact that they don't get very good gas milage.

My classic valve weighes less then my friends ion and my frineds promaster, it's a hell of a lot more accurate and lighter than tippmanns.

Hell if the devil mag frame(or somthing simaler) ever got mass produced and AGD "somehow" made the gun get alot better gas effeciency I could see mags becoming mainstream.

But do to the lack of interest from AGD, and the lack of support from 3rd party manufactures I don't think mags will ever take off again.

It's just that simple.

[shartley]

Muz's point is that from, say '93ish through around '97-'98, mags and cockers were the bees' knees.

I didn't miss his point.

Of course that does not make the overall picture look any better though. In fact it kind of supports the idea that AGD is indeed going down hill.