Soo...about that Infiniti Legend...

[SN toter]

I've got to go with CoolHands original reply on this one. I'm just as effective with my Ion as I am with my Emag, its all in the player...mostly. From personal experience, the only different that I've noticed that is really worth mentioning between FASOR markers that I've shot and air return markers I've shot is a little kick - which can probably be cut down dramatically if a company would take the time and investment to investigate that issue...granted that little bit of kick can throw off a shot grouping a little bit but you shouldn't need 16 bps to hit something, if you do pick up a pump for a few months and work on your game, not your marker.

Now me, I rotate betwen an decked Ion, an Emag, and a Classic RT...They all do the trick and like I said above, I'm just as effective the one as I am with the other. Basically your best bet will be to try to get your hands on one at a field and play a game or two with it. See if it feels solid and if you like the overall feel and operation. You can take our words for it, but everyone likes different marker setups and feels and since its your wallet that this is coming out of, try it firsthand. Thats my advice, for whatever its worth.

[warbeak2099]

I too want to see the video for that especially seeing how the egg maxes out at 18 on a good day. I have one with the alledged super duper X board and I used it for one game and I went straight back to my (at the time) stock Halo. As I couldn't deal with skipped shots and I know my marker wasn't firing past 15bps so the egg was under performing if the hype figues were to be believed.

Seriously let's see you shoot a 20bps consistantly with a loader that can't feed past 15-17bps. Not to mention it's damn near impossible to shoot past 15bps consistantly. Oh, and an Electra without eyes would chop like mad at 20bps. The stock bolt sucks and the operating pressure isn't low enough to pinch paint. Sorry Don, wrong again.

Here's what happened. You were shooting 10bps, probably inconsistantly, and you got all hard because you can't judge speed.

[SpitFire1299]

Ive owned many guns.. mags, dm's, cockers, shockers, etc etc etc.

When you get up into higher level tournaments.. your gun NEEDS to be working flawless, and getting the job done correctly. Everything counts, no matter how small.. it just needs to get done right.

Ok, you guys compare an ion to a rocking trigger spyder. A spyder will chop in no time unless you would like to shoot extremely slow. Also the quality, feel, and respect for both guns differ.

Now when you guys say your ion will shoot as good as a dm6? You must play local tournaments and are not stacking 15 games in under an hour during a team practice to learn the true value of a paintball marker.

Just my opinion.

[sniper1rfa]

hmm two respawn points. That doesnt really make a difference does it? I mean its still a shot per trigger pull.

:P

Makes it harder to spawn-camp him.

[CoolHand]

Ive owned many guns.. mags, dm's, cockers, shockers, etc etc etc.

When you get up into higher level tournaments.. your gun NEEDS to be working flawless, and getting the job done correctly. Everything counts, no matter how small.. it just needs to get done right.

Ok, you guys compare an ion to a rocking trigger spyder. A spyder will chop in no time unless you would like to shoot extremely slow. Also the quality, feel, and respect for both guns differ.

Now when you guys say your ion will shoot as good as a dm6? You must play local tournaments and are not stacking 15 games in under an hour during a team practice to learn the true value of a paintball marker.

Just my opinion.

Just keep telling yourself that.

Whatever makes you feel better about buying that DM6.

I've seen Ions crap out, I've seen DMwhatevers crap out, Timmys croak, Vikings lose their minds, Mags chop and get bolt stick at inopportune times, Shockers just refuse to work, Cockers have a fit, and Spyders go totally ape ****, and an RT Tipmmann literally violate itself on the field.

No matter what marker you use, it can and will let you down if you don't take care of it. You're not going to tell me that an Ion (a spooler with two moving orings) is much more sensitive to maintenance than a DM6 (a spooler with about 14 moving orings) is. I've seen both take a dump at bad times, and it can always be attributed to poor user care of the machine.

The fact is that PB markers now very rarely just "break" on their own. Even the electronic stuff is nearly always caused by user error or outright abuse.

You can argue fine little points all you want, but in the end with any marker above about the $200 range, those little points are just that - very little. Sure, it may feel better, or you may like it better, but that doesn't make it the best marker ever, it just makes it the marker you like the best. Which is fine, but don't go too far out of your way to sell the rest of us on it, just be happy that it's what works for you.

[warbeak2099]

Markers are certainly getting easier to tech and less complicated. Take the new Mini, no wires to break or crimp. Very little moving parts too. But if you don't do something as simple as greasing the damn thing, of course it will crap out. As Coolhand said, it can happen to any marker.

[cyrus-the-virus]

Just keep telling yourself that.

Whatever makes you feel better about buying that DM6.

I've seen Ions crap out, I've seen DMwhatevers crap out, Timmys croak, Vikings lose their minds, Mags chop and get bolt stick at inopportune times, Shockers just refuse to work, Cockers have a fit, and Spyders go totally ape ****, and an RT Tipmmann literally violate itself on the field.

No matter what marker you use, it can and will let you down if you don't take care of it. You're not going to tell me that an Ion (a spooler with two moving orings) is much more sensitive to maintenance than a DM6 (a spooler with about 14 moving orings) is. I've seen both take a dump at bad times, and it can always be attributed to poor user care of the machine.

The fact is that PB markers now very rarely just "break" on their own. Even the electronic stuff is nearly always caused by user error or outright abuse.

You can argue fine little points all you want, but in the end with any marker above about the $200 range, those little points are just that - very little. Sure, it may feel better, or you may like it better, but that doesn't make it the best marker ever, it just makes it the marker you like the best. Which is fine, but don't go too far out of your way to sell the rest of us on it, just be happy that it's what works for you.

The ion has 4 moving O-rings. and I think the DM has 16. not counting any O-rings in the reg.

Ion > trix (well when the ion is fully uped(which still costs less than buying the latest DM))

[MarkM]

Seriously let's see you shoot a 20bps consistantly with a loader that can't feed past 15-17bps. Not to mention it's damn near impossible to shoot past 15bps consistantly. Oh, and an Electra without eyes would chop like mad at 20bps. The stock bolt sucks and the operating pressure isn't low enough to pinch paint. Sorry Don, wrong again.

Here's what happened. You were shooting 10bps, probably inconsistantly, and you got all hard because you can't judge speed.

I don't think you meant to quote me as your reply holds up what I was asking