thank you so much i just found it so get off my back
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Safety should never be taken lightly, and some people need stuff like this told to them repeatedly, or are new to the sport. How many times have you seen people on a playing field removing thier goggles? Such simple rules are there for everyones safety. Since people continue to not follow them it never hurts to have it repeated. If you already know the rules and follow them good, continue to do so. AJust don't go bashing someone for trying to help, and trying to help SAVE YOU from yourself or other around you from doing harm or death to YOU.
Most regulated fields, the safety speach is given at the beginning of EVERY GAME, yes sometimes it sucks to hafta sit there and have it repeated to you 5-10 times a day, yet we still see fools doing exactly what the rules (which are there to protect you and others) say NOT to do.
Lets stop acting like the children, AGG kiddies, and HK army folks. Lets show ourselves and others that we are NOT like them and take these things seriously, as we all should.
If you are under 18 do not be offended you can be a child and be over the age of 18, its the mentality which I am referring to.
Basic rules:
1. Treat your marker as if it were a real firearm. There are some very good safety rules to follow with using a firearm which directly relate to using Markers.
2. Be honorable. If you are not honorable yourself what do you have? If you do not have honor you have nothing.
3. Show a positive attitude and be mature. The more folks who set an example, the more we will be emulated.
4. Don't be a dick even to the folks being one towards us or others.Comment
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ok well can we move into a tech side of what the original posted quote was saying.
how in teh heck does purging the tank help agaisnt flash exposions? its the heat that causes it, heck topping off the tank casues less heat to be gathered and thus less chance of explosion. i can see the flash box/blanket but i am really at a loss for understanding the draining idea.
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It's just members thinking that it's the cool thing to do. They think making fun of other people nonstop is the best way to be e-cool. Kinda sad, been happening for awhile around AO and it's getting really irritating.Originally posted by personmanIt's danger will robinson
p.s. what's with all the dicks on AO lately?
The guy found some information reguarding safety that he thought he should let everyone else know about, so he posted it. So what if you already know about it, then DONT POST. MAYBE not everyone in the world saw it the first time around. I've been on this forum for almost 5 years so dont whine to me about reposts. Get a life and leave this guy alone.Comment
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Maybe this will sound stupid, so explain me. Can't the oil that we put in the asa get in contact with the nipple and give the problems known with the oil/HPA mix? I knew that oil and HPA weren't a good mix, but I put oil in my asa because these are the instructions from AGD... but with that post... I'm lost
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Originally posted by sTaLaMaybe this will sound stupid, so explain me. Can't the oil that we put in the asa get in contact with the nipple and give the problems known with the oil/HPA mix? I knew that oil and HPA weren't a good mix, but I put oil in my asa because these are the instructions from AGD... but with that post... I'm lost
Yes this could potentialy be a problem IF the air flow was into the tank form the asa. However this is not the case, the air is flowing from the tank to the marker and pushing the oil away from the tank/fill nipple. The air is also at a much lower pressure once it has gone through the regulator and greatly reduces the heating of the oil. So if you are not sloppy whith oiling the asa there should be no way that any oil will come in contact with the fill nipple.Comment
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regardless if this thread is a re-post or not, i am glad to see it...its the first time for me to see it, and i have been playing 6 years now...also just look around and see all the new youngsters, each and every time you go out and play, teach it to them for all around "Safety"...you can never have enough of safety and let your guard down...a maiming or loss of a life should be everyones concern...
i would like to download the original of this post and post it in our Forum...do i go to PBNation to do this? or can i do it from the AO Forum?...thank you...Comment
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Me too. Mabe we all need reminders sometimes.Comment
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Originally posted by don miguel
yes, like reminders to stop posting in the pic thread, and to PM somone about their gun/setup/type etc
people dont wanna scroll thru text.
its an easy mistake or an assumption to add oil to a tank to fix/stop a leak or whatever the purpose may be. although ive seen it done, as well as tanks removed from the valve head while filled(thanksfuly vented) has also happened far too often and can be a real safety hazard.
is gold cup OK cause ive seen that often used and thankfuly nothing bad has happened
while most/all of us at AO do not need to be reminded of the dangers there are people that are, but they are not here(mainly new players as part of an overal safety speech)
the tank bottom shooting out sounds kinda iffy to me
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The owner of the MV dive shop has plenty of airsmith expierience, and an 88ci tank blew up in his face (not critically injured thankfully), we all need reminders. If people don't get reminded on things like not fooling around with a tank reg, the dangers and safety tips will slip past thier memory. Compressed air is dangerous and everyone should be reminded of the dangers once in a while, no matter how expierienced they are. That's why this thread is important. Oh yeah if the tank bottom exploding sounds iffy too you, then go drop a full 88ci carbon fiber wrapped tank on the concrete ground. if it hasn't exploded yet, empty it out and fill it again.That is exactly wht the scenario was for the diveshop owner. Tell me if you have any worries.Originally posted by Chronobreakyes, like reminders to stop posting in the pic thread, and to PM somone about their gun/setup/type etc
people dont wanna scroll thru text.
its an easy mistake or an assumption to add oil to a tank to fix/stop a leak or whatever the purpose may be. although ive seen it done, as well as tanks removed from the valve head while filled(thanksfuly vented) has also happened far too often and can be a real safety hazard.
is gold cup OK cause ive seen that often used and thankfuly nothing bad has happened
while most/all of us at AO do not need to be reminded of the dangers there are people that are, but they are not here(mainly new players as part of an overal safety speech)
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I knew that. I just wanted to see who would catch it.Originally posted by personmanIt's danger will robinson
You win a cookie 
What flavor ya want? 
Its not JUST the HEAT. You need fuel, heat and air. When you purge the tank you are dumping the possible dirty air. A fill with oil already mixed. If the uneducated has been using oil on the fill nipple. You can use one drop and be fine but if you keep doing it you will have dirty air that will flash with enough heat.Originally posted by SR_matt
Topping off doesnt cause less heat. Once the flash temp of the fuel is reached its over. It depends on how fast the fill is. Flash fill or slam fill. Fast is not good. The faster the fill the higher the temp. Fast fill equals friction, friction equals heat. Ever notice your pressure drop after you topped off or filled. Thats a bad fill. If its done RIGHT[SAFELY] your tank pressure wont drop off after you leave the fill station.
We dont breath oxygen. Its 78% nitrogen, 21%oxygen, .093 argon and trace amounts of other gasses. Remember it was originally TEAM NITRO. Where did those guys go anyway?
Spray some WD40 or 3in1 oil on a hard surface[glass or metal] and try and light it. It dont want to burn to good.[high flash point] or as it is called in the lab OC[open cup] Now put it under pressure in a compressed air tank. You just lowered the flah point considerably. Now turn on the air and hold a flame in front of it. Guess what ya got.
You could add much Oil and fill it reaal Sloooooow.[no heat] Then guess what you have?
No dont do that.
Check out this Thread
Sig IT
Peace Out.
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Gee... and why does no other industry or sport flash fill high pressure tanks as standard practice?
High pressure air is relatively safe. High pressure air as used by paintball players is an accident waiting to happen. Take a SCUBA buddy once and let him see us diving around with our tanks, see what he thinks about that. Or how carelessly we self fill them."Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr SuessComment
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Ha Ha ya I hear ya. I just want to play a little more before it implodes.Originally posted by Lohman446
Take a couple of your Real fire arms buddies to a field and watch em cringe and run away real fast when they see how we[not me] practice proper gun safety in a SAFE zone.
How can I Love a GAME so much that is so stupid?
Dont Flash it, SLAM It.
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bt ironicly paintball tanks have a much higher pass rate than most other tanks that have to be hydroed (that is according to one hydrotester, i dont remember it off hand ill have to dig up the site)Originally posted by Lohman446
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Actually, its not the heat, its the compressing of an air and oil mix. Its the same as how a diesel engine works. the tank doesnt quite get hot enough to ignite the mixture. Now dont gewt me wrong, some tanks are filled to an unsafe temp, but not high enough to ignite. The compression to 4500psi does it.Originally posted by SR_matt
Chronobreak, no oil will work in fill nipples. We used to do it all the time also, I think the difference is how fast we're filling the tanks these days. The person whos tank blew up, prolly did fill the nipple with oil alot, for it to do that.
Don Miguel, sorry, but for a tank to actually blow the whole bottom of the tank off, would require tank damage beyond comprehension. The tank that "Exploded" didnt really explode, the reg threads seperated and the tank came away from the reg. Tanks dont "Explode". A tank failure is usally a very small hole, pinhole size. any picture of a tank thats lokks truely blown up, was filled to about 13,000-20,000 psi, to see how far they could actually go up in pressure.
Shane-OI have nothing good to put here...........
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