Pretty cool - custom body

[Shane-O-Mac]

His post was from intelligent lol.

And this post is any better? Your not even posting anything about the original thread, your just taking up space.............................nice.

No, he's not. That has been said umpteen times, not to mention they stopped being produced because of tolerance issues.

So maybe you could back off a bit. Theres a cliff right over there...



you missed a far? maybe? just maybe?

I guess your not the smartest peanut in the turd either..................
He IS doing better, but your idiotic posts do nothing to help. YOU should back off, did mommy not love you enough? Is that your problem? Just wondering.



On topic: Wasnt the sluggo discountinued because they couldnt sell enough to justify another run? They aren't cheap to make. Don M is right another person COULD make a sluggo, but it will cost more than the original. I dont think that tolerance is a problem, a good machine shop shouldnt have a problem holding tolerances on a sluggo. You have to make a whole bunch of sluggos to get them to a price that people can bear, then your sitting on a pallet of bodies and you cant sell them all. Normal problem of doing business.

Shane-O

[warbeak2099]

I said that if "you" meaning anyone, was a good enough miller then they could probabably make slugs. I do apologize I wasn't trying to be a wisearse. Basically I meant that there are probably some people who could mill slugs, but it might cost more.

Ok let me break it down for you. You'd need the exact specs from AGD. I doubt they;d be willing to give that out. Even if you did get that, you'd need the equipment to do the milling. Oh and you have to get the aluminum first too. And yes it would cost considerably more. You'd be paying $500 for one probably.

Shane, honestly get off your pulpit. You're posts don't even make any sense. I can't respond to something someone else said if it's off topic? Oh wait, that's what you've been doing too. So I guess we're both wrong. And you keep using the word unintelligent incorrectly. Whenever I point out that Don's post is unintelligent because it lacks any kind of factual basis, you come out with the great comeback, "oh well guess what your post is not intelligent!" Ooooh! Come back when you have a comeback that's better than simply repeating what I said.

[Lenny]

Woohoo! Flaming! One of my favorite off-field past times!

*grabs popcorn*
Don't bore me now!
*munch, munch*

[iambored]

OH NOES!
I CAN SEE IT NOW...
MODS DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS FLAMEFEST...
ANOTHER THREAD CLOSED

so why don't we back off don for the the day listen to GWAR and Rammstein and Marilyn Manson and Mudvayne and be semi-peaceful manly men in bright colors covered in paint

[don miguel]

Ok let me break it down for you. You'd need the exact specs from AGD. I doubt they;d be willing to give that out. Even if you did get that, you'd need the equipment to do the milling. Oh and you have to get the aluminum first too. And yes it would cost considerably more. You'd be paying $500 for one probably.

Shane, honestly get off your pulpit. You're posts don't even make any sense. I can't respond to something someone else said if it's off topic? Oh wait, that's what you've been doing too. So I guess we're both wrong. And you keep using the word unintelligent incorrectly. Whenever I point out that Don's post is unintelligent because it lacks any kind of factual basis, you come out with the great comeback, "oh well guess what your post is not intelligent!" Ooooh! Come back when you have a comeback that's better than simply repeating what I said.

OOOOOH FLAMEAGE!! well mr warbreak milling expert, what if I told you I have a buddy named Tristen who has a milling station. He loves mags because he can mill pretty much anything for them (exept valve parts). He has made custom barells before with custom porting and rifiling. He is really good. He has some fancy laser milling machene that can scan products and measure them, witch I don't have much knowledge about. All your really need is an accurate ruler (or in his case a scanner), some trial and error, and knowledge about threads for feednecks and barells and ball detents, and you could probably mill your own sluggos. He has done it, he makes mag bodykits sometimes. They aren't perfect but look good. If I owned a milling station I would make my own mainbodies instead of buying them, heck it would be fun. Why do you need specs from agd, just get a mainbody like a ULE, and measure it up. With some trial and error you could probably mill a bodykit that would fit on your autmag. Bodykits aren't that complicated. They are fancy threaded tubes.
FLAME ME TO DEATH IF YOU WANT!

[ttink]

I still don't get how Don's first two posts in this thread can be considered uninteligent when he was only answering the posters questions.

[warbeak2099]

Bodykits aren't that complicated. They are fancy threaded tubes.

Ah I guess that's why AGD engineers all of their products to painstakingly tight tolerances. It's so idiots like you can say, "Oh I can make that myself in my friend's cousins, brothers, girlfriend's, uncle's, son's, buddy's shop! It's not too hard, there isn't that much that goes into designing a body! It's just a tube!"

It's not like there is any science or higher math involved in engineering things! I mean, why don't you just go and tell that to an architecture firm, you'll put everyone out of a job. Geez man, if you can do it, all these paintball companies should hire you to engineer their guns without any set of specs to go by. You could just come up with measurements and specifications off the top of your head! Yes, no math involved!

Don I seriously thought you were starting to learn, but now you've dissapointed me. I can tolerate a lot of things. I even think a lot of the stupid crap you post is funny. But when you come on here acting like you know everything about engineering and you go and tell us all that science is useless, you can just do everything by eye... Just don't even go there. When we tell you something you listen. Look I'm just fed up with your crap and everyone trying to defend you. My last response to you wasn't even mean. And yet you still flipped out on me in a giant noob temper tantrum. I'd love to help you learn more along with everyone else, but in your current state you are a hopeless moron.

[kruger]

Ah I guess that's why AGD engineers all of their products to painstakingly tight tolerances. It's so idiots like you can say, "Oh I can make that myself in my friend's cousins, brothers, girlfriend's, uncle's, son's, buddy's shop! It's not too hard, there isn't that much that goes into designing a body! It's just a tube!"

It's not like there is any science or higher math involved in engineering things! I mean, why don't you just go and tell that to an architecture firm, you'll put everyone out of a job. Geez man, if you can do it, all these paintball companies should hire you to engineer their guns without any set of specs to go by. You could just come up with measurements and specifications off the top of your head! Yes, no math involved!

Don I seriously thought you were starting to learn, but now you've dissapointed me. I can tolerate a lot of things. I even think a lot of the stupid crap you post is funny. But when you come on here acting like you know everything about engineering and you go and tell us all that science is useless, you can just do everything by eye... Just don't even go there. When we tell you something you listen. Look I'm just fed up with your crap and everyone trying to defend you. My last response to you wasn't even mean. And yet you still flipped out on me in a giant noob temper tantrum. I'd love to help you learn more along with everyone else, but in your current state you are a hopeless moron.

Hate to break up this little love fest here, but there is a thing called "reverse engineering" It where you take an item, and then use it to make another one. And, he is not wanting to design a Slug body, just make one. The tolerances of a Ule body should be the same as a slug body. As long as the inside is milled correctly, you could make a slug body 5 ft wide, if that is what you wanted. He only has to be able to measure a body, not re-engineer one. He said that he has someone with the equipment and experience doing paintball stuff. And, the aluminum is not all that rare. I personaly dont see a problem with him trying to make one for his PERSONAL use. If he started to make and sell them, then that is another story.

[warbeak2099]

No you have to understand this kid. He doesn't know someone with the required technology. It's a bit harder than just going by eye which is what this kid wants to do. You really have to have the right tools and know how to use them. This kid has neither going for him. Yet he thinks it should be so easy to just pick up a ULE and look at it, and make a Slug. He thinks there's nothing to it and it's so simple.

I know it's perfectly possible, but it isn't that easy. He thinks that with the help of some guy in a machine shop who probably has never done anything paintball related, he can turn out an exact replica of a Slug and make it perfect.

I should of articulated this in my rant, I was just so furious. My apologies.

[kruger]

Warbeak2099, I guess that I should not have gotten into this thread. My mistake. I did not know that you were personaly familiar with DM. I, on the other hand do not know him. I only know him from some of the posts that he makes and the recent threads that have popped up about him. I do know that what he is proposing is doable, and being done by people all the time. I also know that there have been, and still are, things that I toss around and figure out how to do, but never do them. I even have posted a few here on AO. If Tunaman or Luke had suggested this, then the thread would be 7 pages long and have 20k hits by now. Will DM actually follow up on this idea? I would lay money down that he will not, or maybe even cannot. He may not have the friends, equipment, money, ect. ect. But, that does not mean that the idea, in essence, is wrong. I was defending the idea.

Also, how do you know, unless you do personaly know DM, that he doesnt know people with the equipment, skills and desire to make these. Unless you know him personaly, then for all you know, it could be Tom Kaye under an alias just postin up stuff for the fun of it. Do you really know?

[SlartyBartFast]

Ok let me break it down for you. You'd need the exact specs from AGD. I doubt they;d be willing to give that out.

Let me break it down for YOU warbeak.

While you need a given measure of skill and a minimum of specialised equipment, you CAN reverse engineer any part. Many have already done so with various mag parts.

PTP and AGDE europe both made mainbodies for mags. Both were quite successful. Both had growing pains in the beginning.
There was a run of non-AGD slugs as well. I never did read any first-hand reviews of them.

Most of the failures in producing Mag parts is the failure to maintain production quality and a failure to identify the critical measurements that MUST be monitored.

That all being said, there's no need to reverse engineer the slug body. Both the original and the over-the-valve slug CAD drawings were made available on AO by TK himself. Everything you need to make a slug was on those drawings. Use the search feature and you might still find them...

[warbeak2099]

I never said it can't be done! It just can't be done by DM. Like you said Slarty, it was done by two already established companies, not some 15yo kid who has no technical knowledge or experience at all. I am sorry that I did not articulate this enough for you two to understand, but I DID NOT SAY IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.

The thing I was getting pissed about was DM acting like he knows everything about everything and that this kind of thing really isn't very hard. Do you think he even knows what a CAD drawing is? He obviously has no technical proficiency at all and I was trying before to nicely tell him that there is a little more to it than taking a ruler to a ULE Body. We can all agree that's true, and that's all I was saying.

[kruger]

I have a buddy named Tristen who has a milling station. He loves mags because he can mill pretty much anything for them (exept valve parts). He has made custom barells before with custom porting and rifiling. He is really good. He has some fancy laser milling machene that can scan products and measure them, witch I don't have much knowledge about. All your really need is an accurate ruler (or in his case a scanner), some trial and error, and knowledge about threads for feednecks and barells and ball detents, and you could probably mill your own sluggos. He has done it, he makes mag bodykits sometimes. They aren't perfect but look good.

I dont think that DM was trying to say that HE would make the slugs, but that it could be done by someone else. I think that he realizes that he does not have the skills to do it, but others do. And, again, how do you know that Tristen does not exist? Are Luke, Doc, and Fireblade the only machinists that have ths skills to mill out any paintball parts to specs? Or create custom parts? Or, even read a CAD drawing?

[Arstron]

The thing I was getting pissed about was DM acting like he knows everything about everything and that this kind of thing really isn't very hard. Do you think he even knows what a CAD drawing is? He obviously has no technical proficiency at all and I was trying before to nicely tell him that there is a little more to it than taking a ruler to a ULE Body. We can all agree that's true, and that's all I was saying.

well mr warbreak milling expert, what if I told you I have a buddy named Tristen who has a milling station. He loves mags because he can mill pretty much anything for them (exept valve parts). He has made custom barells before with custom porting and rifiling. He is really good. He has some fancy laser milling machene that can scan products and measure them, witch I don't have much knowledge about. All your really need is an accurate ruler (or in his case a scanner), some trial and error, and knowledge about threads for feednecks and barells and ball detents, and you could probably mill your own sluggos. He has done it, he makes mag bodykits sometimes.

I dont think you read his thread all the way threw, he is not talking about measuring with a ruler but with his friends "fancy laser milling machene" that can scan products. There are cheap 3d scanners out there, although I have no idea of how reliable or accurate they are. It is always possible that he is telling the truth, just like its possible that he isnt.

[warbeak2099]

I dont think you read his thread all the way threw, he is not talking about measuring with a ruler but with his friends "fancy laser milling machene" that can scan products. There are cheap 3d scanners out there, although I have no idea of how reliable or accurate they are. It is always possible that he is telling the truth, just like its possible that he isnt.

That's true, it is possible he's telling the truth. But unless his buddy has laid down some serious cash for a high quality machine, like AGD's suppliers use, and he is well trained with it and has a high level of experience, it ain't happening. I doubt some 15yo kid's pal has the needed equipment for this type of project.