best electric paintball gun that uses CO2?

[don miguel]

Well an Ion can technically run on Co2, but I would never put Co2 through an electro-pneumatic no matter what the manufactorer says. It won't take the abuse as well as an electro mechanical. Go for a Pirhana EVO. They're great starter guns. Ions are more intermediate.

I tisn't a good idea to run an ion on CO2. Co2 is dirty, it breaks orings. Ask "where am I?" about that. On the other hand, I played witha spyder electra acs 05 with co2, and it worked fine. sweet deal:

[buzzboy]

If he gets a palmer reg(I reccomend the fatty) I succesfully ran a B2K on unantisiphoned CO2. Also my friend ran an Ion on Unantisiphoned Co2 with no ill effects for a couple months.

[don miguel]

If he gets a palmer reg(I reccomend the fatty) I succesfully ran a B2K on unantisiphoned CO2. Also my friend ran an Ion on Unantisiphoned Co2 with no ill effects for a couple months.

What happened after a "couple months"?

[personman]

What happened after a "couple months"?

He probably got nitro. CO2 wont destroy a gun, its not made out of acid or anything. Its just that if you shoot it at high CPS for long periods of time, the gas doesn't have as much time to expand and it starts to freeze up your gun, sometimes permanently damaging the orings (so basically worst case scenario in an electro pneumatic gun you have to replace a few o rings when the gun starts leaking.)

[don miguel]

He probably got nitro. CO2 wont destroy a gun, its not made out of acid or anything. Its just that if you shoot it at high CPS for long periods of time, the gas doesn't have as much time to expand and it starts to freeze up your gun, sometimes permanently damaging the orings (so basically worst case scenario in an electro pneumatic gun you have to replace a few o rings when the gun starts leaking.)

That's what happens with any gun when you use co2 in it. Exept tippys. Theier orings seem to never wear off. Next time you go to a field with a field rental tippy, find the worst looking one. Look at the back bolt oring that is visible by looking into the chamber where the lever to cock it is. Tell me if it is bad/broken/ or warn down. I want to know.

[CoolHand]

I tisn't a good idea to run an ion on CO2. Co2 is dirty, it breaks orings. Ask "where am I?" about that. On the other hand, I played witha spyder electra acs 05 with co2, and it worked fine. sweet deal:

CO2 is not inherently dirty. If you turn a regular bulk tank upside down and there is rust scale inside (which is suspect to begin with, because being filled with pure C02 all the time should keep out all water vapor, but I digress) that scale will flow with the liquid into the tank you are filling.

Solution? Use a siphon tank like you are supposed to, and buy your gas from a reputable supplier.

Do those two things and you will never have dirty CO2 woes.

Please stop telling people that CO2 is dirty and will gut your marker, that's total BS. It's a pure inert gas, it's not corrosive, it's not anything. It just sets there and expands or contracts.

Now that you know the truth, go forth and spread the good word!

[don miguel]

CO2 is not inherently dirty. If you turn a regular bulk tank upside down and there is rust scale inside (which is suspect to begin with, because being filled with pure C02 all the time should keep out all water vapor, but I digress) that scale will flow with the liquid into the tank you are filling.

Solution? Use a siphon tank like you are supposed to, and buy your gas from a reputable supplier.

Do those two things and you will never have dirty CO2 woes.

Please stop telling people that CO2 is dirty and will gut your marker, that's total BS. It's a pure inert gas, it's not corrosive, it's not anything. It just sets there and expands or contracts.

Now that you know the truth, go forth and spread the good word!

My motto (besided oldschool=ubercool): My gun breaths wht I breath. I prefer air. I have been told by Boston PB that Co2 is corrosive, and eats at delrin and rubber orings (they were probably lyeing like usual) but still. I do prefer air, it is proven to be better for you gun (people have said) it is consistant, and does not get cold. I have had expierience with a smart parts "anti siphon" tank. It isn't fool proof. When I would shoot strings with my 'electra the tank would become very cold, and liquid co2 was visible in the air at the end of the barell. Mabe the tank was dysfunctional with some defect, but it isn't fool proof. I would still go with compresssed air. It isn't very expensive either. Oh yeah, if Co2 isn't dirty, whay do all high end gun manuals say that co2 is bad for the gun? I know they say you can use anti siphon, but why dosen't anybody?

[Shane-O-Mac]

My motto (besided oldschool=ubercool): My gun breaths wht I breath. I prefer air. I have been told by Boston PB that Co2 is corrosive, and eats at delrin and rubber orings (they were probably lyeing like usual) but still. I do prefer air, it is proven to be better for you gun (people have said) it is consistant, and does not get cold. I have had expierience with a smart parts "anti siphon" tank. It isn't fool proof. When I would shoot strings with my 'electra the tank would become very cold, and liquid co2 was visible in the air at the end of the barell. Mabe the tank was dysfunctional with some defect, but it isn't fool proof. I would still go with compresssed air. It isn't very expensive either. Oh yeah, if Co2 isn't dirty, whay do all high end gun manuals say that co2 is bad for the gun? I know they say you can use anti siphon, but why dosen't anybody?

Ok, DM, heres where you keep getting in trouble with posting. Please reread what Coolhand and I posted. That is the TRUTH, dont always go by what "People" say. Research Co2 yourself, and you'll learn more than you need to know. Instead of trying to argue or contradict what others are saying, ask a question instead of trying to post answers. You are a new player, many shops will tell you lots of things to get you to buy something.

You can choose to go with HPA, thats your option, BUT dont tell some else that Co2 is bad, when it isnt. Most manufacturers say no to Co2 is, if it isnt correctly set-up it can damage things. This way they dont have to warranty the gun if you use Co2. Your problem with an anti-siphon tank doesnt mean anything, you could have had the tank screwed in so the tube was IN the liquid, instead of out of it. MOST guns that use Co2 will produce a cloud at the end of the barrel. Thats normal, and doesnt relate to Co2 being bad or good for your gun. Paintball guns have used Co2 for 36 years or so (first tree marking gun was out around 69-70 IIRC). Also Co2 does NOT damage o-rings. And to answer your last question in the above post, Most people dont use it because of posters like you and others that dont know, tell the other uneducated people that its bad. Most players just use what everyone else does because its easy and more fool proof, but not completely. Go ask a Palmer gun fan what they use, 75% will say Co2 in the proper weather. Ions, were desigend and SOLD to be used with Co2, by Smartparts, so your comment about them are wrong also.

Co2 is perfectly safe when used properly, just like HPA. When used improperly, they can both be bad for your gun.

Shane-O

[Lenny]

Shoebox Shocker...

Relatively inexpensive (nowadays), runs good on CO2 (even liquid, the 'noids were built to handle it), and overall really good shooters.

Quite possibly the only SP gun I would highly recomend.

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^^Shano-O, absolutely correct! I'm glad someone said that!

[warbeak2099]

Co2 is perfectly safe when used properly, just like HPA. When used improperly, they can both be bad for your gun.

Shane-O

How can comp air be bad for your gun? It's in gaseous form all the time.

Btw, go for the EVO Pirhana. Spyders are overpriced for what else is on the market. You can pick up EVO's for $120-130 when those stupid VS Spyders are $250. That's more than an Ion and an Ion is BETTER.

[GT]

The most consistant gun I have ever had was an eclipse shoebox on co2. It consitantly got quads, 295, 295, 295, 295. Awsome gun.


You can run Co2 on anything, no reason it cant be as consistant as hp.

[buzzboy]

What happened after a "couple months"?

Nitro was bought....Gun was sold....gun still works fine a year+ later.

[punkncat]

I would NOT recommend the use of CO2 on an electro to the average paintballer. MOST people don't have the patience/intelligence/knowledge to set up and use the marker properly without damaging it.

CO2 is an acidic gas, that IS a fact. However its NOT corrosive enough to cause problems to any part of a paintball marker. There are many types of acid that have no effect on rubbers and plastics. IIRC some acids were stored in plastic bottles, others in glass w/ rubber stoppers in science....


If you are looking for an inexpensive and durable CO2 rig look into Spyders and Tippys. The tippy valve was made to work properly even on liquid CO2. I would still recommend the use of an anti-siphon, remote, and or an expansion chamber. In extremely cold weather consider using a siphon tank....

[cyrus-the-virus]

How can comp air be bad for your gun? It's in gaseous form all the time.

Btw, go for the EVO Pirhana. Spyders are overpriced for what else is on the market. You can pick up EVO's for $120-130 when those stupid VS Spyders are $250. That's more than an Ion and an Ion is BETTER.

Stock vs. stock I'd say the VS would win.

If you have your tank reg presssure set ot high or your HPR set to high for your gun you can break sela,hoses damge parts, blow your noid all kinds of fun expensive things.

CO2 is in the same boat only it's harder to control seeing as CO2 isent near as stable as Compressed air is.

I could be wrong but that's my 0.02

OK My question is this. If I bought....let's say a Pm6. Would I be able to run CO2 though it if I had an antisiphon tube, and replaced the reg with a palmer fatty?

[craltal]

the only oring issues I can see with CO2 is if you are going without a reg/ AS tube is that the gun will get cold the orings will contract and possibly get brittle depending on the material they are made from.

The biggest problems with CO2 is when it start to get colder out and the ambient temperature doesn't allow as readily a change for the CO2 .

And, cyrus: yes, you could