Manike on PigTV about the MINI

[Chrishew09]

i think it might be a combo of the 3

you can list expenses all day to me but i think it is bull that any high end gun that is being done in large runs are being priced at 1000+. low runs of highend guns are different i expect it to be that much but it is becasue of the quanity.


-matt

Agree 110%

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Curse you, Simon! I just bought your last gun!

Although I have to say, the Mini is ridiculously small. I'd be afraid of losing it is I ever put it down. Although, maybe if I attached a bright-red CanCon tank cover...

PS - Does PigTV add 10lbs, or are you are now conforming to American dietary norms?

PPS - still hoping to sample your GF's home-baked cookies. Keep Andy at bay!

[Cameo]

Sexy....

in so many ways....
I'll convince my brother to buy one

[benzy2]

It sounds like a sprinkler valve when I hear him talk about it. Not quite the same concept but it gives me MQ images in my head. The first push on the bolt is slow due to the lack of volume and restricted pathways. When the pressure behind the one side of the popit drops so far the valve rushes open and the full blast poors out. If that doesnt sound like a sprinkler/MQ valve fitted inline I dont know what does.


And if this isnt what Im thinking of then I have a new idea in my head.

[spike_ball999]

It has a trigger, a barrel and electronics and it shoots a paintball. In that way, it's the same as virtually every semi- produced right now. What does it take for something to be a bonafide "new" and not "just changed slightly?"

Well we know it's not new, but it's a different way of thinking. For example, think about the automobile. Originally ran on steam and wasn't great, but with some modifications and different thinking about it, it became a good product.
Who knows, we may just have a future full of Ion and Mini clones.

I don't care one way or the other what you want to call it but it seems to me that paintball players are at times excessively harsh critics.

They're not so bad. Musicians are harsh critics. Change a color of something and disscontinue their favorite, they get irate. But then again, some paintball players are like that I guess. You can never please or be pleased...

[SR_matt]

hmmm i guess ballers that are musicians as well are really bad then casue i freaked out when they discontinued the voodoo SG's by gibson, and i was mad when the good cockers were stoped being produced (2003 and before, basicaly once K2 tookover )

-matt

[AutomagRT1483]

I was impressed by the way Simon went over the gun. I like the design of it.

[st6212]

I was impressed by the way Simon went over the gun. I like the design of it.

That's cos he knows his stuff and know what's going on with it. Which is in contrast to that Epiphany vid with the SP "tech"

[Cameo]

That's cos he knows his stuff and know what's going on with it. Which is in contrast to that Epiphany vid with the SP "tech"

Not to mention the accent

[AutomagRT1483]

That's cos he knows his stuff and know what's going on with it.

Which is why I took that as a sales pitch and further decided that Im going to get one.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

i love how he said its nothbing like anyother marker, IMHO it is a lot like a mag/tag 8/ any other blow forward design, they just changed it slightly so it uses 2 stages to shoot as apposed to just one resivoir

Except it uses a modified poppet valve.

'Mags dont have one.

Benzy- From what I know, it is similar in concept to an MQ.

[SR_matt]

ya its using a different valve but (at least in my mind) it is just modifing the way the air gets behind the bolt. yes it is a good design and is much different than others but i think that the design is more so of a modification of pervous designs (including mags)

-matt

[WenULiVeUdiE]

As stated by Simon, this is a design that has never been seen by modern paintball. Although, IIRC, a small company made this design over 10 years ago, nothing every came of it. So from Simon's statements, I would say your statement is false. Assuming they have readapted this design, then they have not merely edited that of the Automag.

It may be similar in some concepts, but that does not mean they reverse engineered an Automag and edited it...

[SR_matt]

i can see both sides of the argument, im just the type of person that connects everything if the designs are even remotely similar, while they might not have jsut edited the mag it still is a very similar concept
-matt

[manike]

i can see both sides of the argument, im just the type of person that connects everything if the designs are even remotely similar,

Then even you should have difficulty connecting this design to a mag.

while they might not have jsut edited the mag it still is a very similar concept
-matt

Please tell me what you consider to be "very similar"?

They really are nothing alike in how they work other than the spring return bolt, a HES, and a similarity in styling since it is a single tube body, with a squarish foregrip.

The concept of how this gun works is NOTHING like the concept of how a mag works.

The mini DOES NOT HAVE:-

1) A bolt with a piston down the centre, working like a 'champagne cork'.
2) A sear
3) An on/off
4) A chamber that gets pressurised to a set value as a specific volume then released
5) A regulator to control the pressure of a volume of gas (the mini's will allow constant flow even during the firing cycle).
6) A solenoid mechanically operating a sear.
7) A huge rechargeable battery
8) A wiring harness
9) A stainless steel bolt.
10) A regulator at the back of the gun that needs to be connected to it's source by a hose

What the mini DOES HAVE:-

1) A gas through main grip.
2) Regulator ASA with filter and pressure blow off
3) An extremely light bolt that has the gas come down the centre. Which is o-ring sealed at the back to control the gas that makes it move.
4) A poppet and face seal which controls the gas flow. Which moves in the opposite direction to the bolt on firing.
5) A movement restrictor that controls how much the poppet can open.
6) Two stage gas supply to the bolt (not two different surface area's like the level 10).
7) Break beam eyes.
8) Specially designed 3 way solenoid.
9) All the electronic controls in the foregrip.
10) Runs off a standard 9 Volt battery.
11) Only two sets of wires. Both of which are quick disconnect.