Manike on PigTV about the MINI

[BigEvil]

eh, dont go crazy.. this is just making all of the mag owners pyne for something new.

Its actually starting to grow on me. Probably too small for my taste, but definately interesting. I would check it out for the HES alone.

[Chrishew09]

Manike-

Since your on this post, will we be able to use drop forwards with this new ASA??

[Muzikman]

Then even you should have difficulty connecting this design to a mag.



Please tell me what you consider to be "very similar"?

They really are nothing alike in how they work other than the spring return bolt, a HES, and a similarity in styling since it is a single tube body, with a squarish foregrip.

The concept of how this gun works is NOTHING like the concept of how a mag works.

The mini DOES NOT HAVE:-

1) A bolt with a piston down the centre, working like a 'champagne cork'.
2) A sear
3) An on/off
4) A chamber that gets pressurised to a set value as a specific volume then released
5) A regulator to control the pressure of a volume of gas (the mini's will allow constant flow even during the firing cycle).
6) A solenoid mechanically operating a sear.
7) A huge rechargeable battery
8) A wiring harness
9) A stainless steel bolt.
10) A regulator at the back of the gun that needs to be connected to it's source by a hose

What the mini DOES HAVE:-

1) A gas through main grip.
2) Regulator ASA with filter and pressure blow off
3) An extremely light bolt that has the gas come down the centre. Which is o-ring sealed at the back to control the gas that makes it move.
4) A poppet and face seal which controls the gas flow. Which moves in the opposite direction to the bolt on firing.
5) A movement restrictor that controls how much the poppet can open.
6) Two stage gas supply to the bolt (not two different surface area's like the level 10).
7) Break beam eyes.
8) Specially designed 3 way solenoid.
9) All the electronic controls in the foregrip.
10) Runs off a standard 9 Volt battery.
11) Only two sets of wires. Both of which are quick disconnect.

So Simon, when should I expect one on my door step?

Looks like you been busy man...

[SR_matt]

Then even you should have difficulty connecting this design to a mag.



Please tell me what you consider to be "very similar"?

They really are nothing alike in how they work other than the spring return bolt, a HES, and a similarity in styling since it is a single tube body, with a squarish foregrip.

The concept of how this gun works is NOTHING like the concept of how a mag works.

The mini DOES NOT HAVE:-

1) A bolt with a piston down the centre, working like a 'champagne cork'.
2) A sear
3) An on/off
4) A chamber that gets pressurised to a set value as a specific volume then released
5) A regulator to control the pressure of a volume of gas (the mini's will allow constant flow even during the firing cycle).
6) A solenoid mechanically operating a sear.
7) A huge rechargeable battery
8) A wiring harness
9) A stainless steel bolt.
10) A regulator at the back of the gun that needs to be connected to it's source by a hose

What the mini DOES HAVE:-

1) A gas through main grip.
2) Regulator ASA with filter and pressure blow off
3) An extremely light bolt that has the gas come down the centre. Which is o-ring sealed at the back to control the gas that makes it move.
4) A poppet and face seal which controls the gas flow. Which moves in the opposite direction to the bolt on firing.
5) A movement restrictor that controls how much the poppet can open.
6) Two stage gas supply to the bolt (not two different surface area's like the level 10).
7) Break beam eyes.
8) Specially designed 3 way solenoid.
9) All the electronic controls in the foregrip.
10) Runs off a standard 9 Volt battery.
11) Only two sets of wires. Both of which are quick disconnect.

IMHO the vavle desing is similar. bolt that gets propeled forward by air directly behind it, air that comes from directly behind it through it to shoot the ball.

yes it gets the air in a differant way and its electro but i think it has a conection closely resembling the relation between sherdians and cockers ("differant" designs but still close)

im not trying to bash the mini in any way (i will probably be picking one up once i can justify another marker) but i think saying it is nothing like a mag is off some what.

-matt

[WenULiVeUdiE]

Matt,

That does not constitute similar technical designs. Although it may be similar in the concept of "air directly propelling the bolt", nothing else is technically similar, which is what matters. To say otherwise would indicate all Spool valves are extremely similar to Automags, which they are not.

The differences, as denoted by Simon, are vast. I do not mean to sound rude, but such comments are typical of people who lack technical experience. That has been my observation though.

[SCpoloRicker]

What does this manike guy know anyways? Uber-alles Mags!

/I keed, I keed

[rkjunior303]

What does this manike guy know anyways? Uber-alles Mags!

/I keed, I keed

seriously ::dodgy::

[SR_matt]

maybe what i consider simmilar is different for what others might. going by the simple descriptions i have heard of how this works i see similar things in this design (mostly the front half of the system) to mags.

-matt

[manike]

IMHO the vavle desing is similar. bolt that gets propeled forward by air directly behind it, air that comes from directly behind it through it to shoot the ball.

In which case a LOT of guns are similar. All matrixes, shockers, mags, quests, Ions etc. get the bolt pushed forwards by air.... The way the mini bolt is pushed forwards is not like the way a mag bolt is pushed forwards. The mini bolt is pushed forwards along a bolt guide which fits down the centre... kind of like a powertube, but there is actually an o-ring seal between the two.

maybe what i consider simmilar is different for what others might. going by the simple descriptions i have heard of how this works i see similar things in this design (mostly the front half of the system) to mags.

You mean the spring, which is on the front of the bolt and returns it?

I'll grant you that is similar...

[SR_matt]

In which case a LOT of guns are similar. All matrixes, shockers, mags, quests, Ions etc. get the bolt pushed forwards by air.... The way the mini bolt is pushed forwards is not like the way a mag bolt is pushed forwards. The mini bolt is pushed forwards along a bolt guide which fits down the centre... kind of like a powertube, but there is actually an o-ring seal between the two.

well i dont see how you can say they are totaly different but it has something that functions extreamly similar if not next to identicaly to a power tube, other than an oring seal.

so ok it has a bolt guide which works a lot like the powertube in a mag and is spring returned.

the only part that is a radicaly new design is the air resevoir and the way the air is let behind the bolt...

blow forward spring returned. how is that totaly different than a mag?
-matt

[manike]

blow forward spring returned. how is that totaly different than a mag?

That 'concept' is similar to the mag, but how it does it is totally different. Functionality wise it is totally different. You were saying that the valving and system is the same. It is not.

That 'concept' is similar to the BKO, Wrath and Legend too...

I'm guessing you will need to wait and see, I think you are going to need to see pictures to understand. You obviously don't get it from what I am trying to describe to you.

The bolt guide is more like the pin in a quest, than the powertube in a mag. The bolt guide does NOT work like the power tube in the mag, in that the bolt does not seal or ride down the inside of the tube. It has o-rings on the outside of it. The air coming out of the bolt guide does not affect the bolts movement until the bolt is completely at the end of it's travel. The gas would be released even if the bolt did not move forwards. The 'bolt guide' is actually more like the old powertube of a nelspot gun in how it routes the air.

Bah, I'm done trying to explain it. Wait for the pictures. :)

[magmonkey]

I am waiting for more than picture..... I can't wait to have one in my hands to pull appart :)

[K9nerOPs]

Sorry for kinda going off topic but I Can't seem to find this data anywhere...

I'm In the market for a new tank for my new Invert Mini...I would like a Stubby tank (wanna keep this marker small over all)...

Do I buy A High Pressure (750psi) Or Low Pressure (450psi) Nitro tank...can I use either One? If not why?

Many Thanks In Advanced!!!

[the123]

Release date still on schedule for early December?

[Nate129]

Sorry for kinda going off topic but I Can't seem to find this data anywhere...

I'm In the market for a new tank for my new Invert Mini...I would like a Stubby tank (wanna keep this marker small over all)...

Do I buy A High Pressure (750psi) Or Low Pressure (450psi) Nitro tank...can I use either One? If not why?

Many Thanks In Advanced!!!

From what I have heard, you can use either - but a LP tank will work better. The Mini does have a reg, so a HP tank will work.

Rumors are around 1,500 shots from a 68/45.