Is your GUN SAFE

[zipity_Bop]

lol thats so stupid.....
mama cass choked on a ham bone, should we ban ham year round until safety regulations are put forward?

[grEnAlEins]

lol thats so stupid.....
mama cass choked on a ham bone, should we ban ham year round until safety regulations are put forward?

1) It was a ham sandwich she was eating
2) It was a heart attack that killed her
3) Yes, ham is nasty and you can get a tapeworm the size of a yardstick if you aren't careful
4) It is not stupid, it is a valid concern and needs to be discussed. I do not want my effing eye shot out because some kid lacks common sense, courtesy, and regard for others (i.e. me). Safety is priority #1 where I play and ref, and it should be everywhere. Kids need to be taught safety. If not for their sake, for yours.

[Head knight of Ni]

The only true way to make a gun "safe" whilst an air tank is attached, would be to have the tank off and the markers bolt and barrel removed. Obviously, there should also be no paint in the setup. Is it ever 100% safe when 4500 PSI is involved?

[White_Noise]

the only way that i see might change what you are all asking for would be to require a firearms safety course or hunters safety for anyone to own or operate a paintball marker. which is actually a pretty good idea.

[Beemer]

lol thats so stupid.....
mama cass choked on a ham bone, should we ban ham year round until safety regulations are put forward?

Doesnt get it.^

4) It is not stupid, it is a valid concern and needs to be discussed. I do not want my effing eye shot out because some kid lacks common sense, courtesy, and regard for others (i.e. me). Safety is priority #1 where I play and ref, and it should be everywhere. Kids need to be taught safety. If not for their sake, for yours.

Gets it.^

[paint magnet]

See that was one of my questions. "What does that mean safe?"

Just because you have yet to AD makes it safe? No guard no safety, brilliant.

Whats the first thing you check to determine Safe?

So I should TRUST you and a bag? A bag for all I know is old dirty and might let a ball thru.

1.) You have to cut the stock CF frame to install a double trigger. It's much nicer without the guard as well because it allows you to hold the gun with your middle finger behind the trigger (like you would with a single trigger gun) for support while running and then use it to shoot when you need to lay down paint.

2.) Guns should always be treated as being loaded and ready to fire, but too often people rely on the fact that "the safety's on and it can't shoot." Having no safety gives no false illusion of safety. 90% of the time I've seen people accidentally shoot a marker, they thought the safety was on. When you have a gun missing a trigger guard and a gaping hole where the safety was, you treat it with care. In my particular case, the frame I got (for free) was already missing the safety, but I've removed it on other guns as I tend to activate it by mistake when switching hands during a game.

3.) I use a PPS barrel bag, which has cords strong enough to bungee jump with and reinforced fabric thick enough to make paintball pants out of. It's also bright orange, which shows that it's not old since it's not faded.

[Beemer]

Sooooooo

paint magnet, your gun dont meet known standards[not safe] but no matter most others dont either.

[zipity_Bop]

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greenaliens you know 2 much lol
And i get it but in this day who doesn't follow proper procedure.
1.)Goggles on signs galore
2.)The safety switch is there for a reason
3.)Barrel condoms are necessary at EVERY field I've played at it

it doesn't get much safer than that............

[jenarelJAM]

For me, I have two markers.
On my sterling, there isn't a safety. The most I can do is to put a BBD on it. Well, I guess I can unscrew the tank from it, but I don't. I admit it, I am too lazy to unscrew the tank and rescrew it back in between games, not to mention that I only get around 250 shots per tank, and bleeding the line multiple times would lower that.
On my viking, I turn it "off", turn the hopper "off", turn my tank to "off", and stick a BBD on the barrel. Unfortunately, there is still air in the line, balls in the stack, and if the switch got bumped, it is very possible that my marker could misfire. Not more than two or three times, but then again, that's all it takes...

I know I shouldn't rely on the BBD as much as I do, but I keep my gun pointed down when it's not in use and point it away from people when I set it down.

Props to those of you who do more.

[hitech]

Ive never seen an incident yet where someone shot through a barrel condom and hit someone else.

I've yet to see one hit someone, but I have seen a paintball shot through a barrel bag. I've replaced a friends barrel bag that was just an accident waiting to happen (I use Rogue's barrel bags, best I've ever seen). And I don't play that much...




Oh yeah, to answer the question my marker is not safe untill the warp and air tank are removed.

At the field I put on my trusty barrel blocker, turn off the marker (yellow pin), and turn off the air. But it's not safe as I don't always degass it.

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[bryceeden]

Beemer, did some event happen to you that is making you ask all these safty questions? Please don't take this as an insult, its just you've been on a hard core safty streak lately and I was just wondering if there is a story behind it?

[Beemer]

I've yet to see one hit someone, but I have seen a paintball shot through a barrel bag. I've replaced a friends barrel bag that was just an accident waiting to happen (I use Rogue's barrel bags, best I've ever seen). And I don't play that much...

No that dont happen wont happen cant happen ever. If it does and hits someone in the eye it could cost 6.6mil. But I want to keep both my eyes.


Peace Out

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[Beemer]

Beemer, did some event happen to you that is making you ask all these safty questions? Please don't take this as an insult, its just you've been on a hard core safty streak lately and I was just wondering if there is a story behind it?

Yes events have happened. The questions are to raise awareness. No Offense taken.

When I talked to people about Paintball back when I started playing I could say we were smart and we were, especially about SAFETY. When they asked questions about the game and Gear we used I had smart answers and they showed interest. Today when I say I play Ball and they ask questions I have to be honest and ya know what I hear? Thats stupid.

I had a conversation with a Professor from a large university. I was expressing some of my concerns about how things are done. He said well you do this and that dont ya, I said well no not exactly. Well thats stupid is what I heard.

How come a fill fitting is the same for 3000psi as it is for 4500psi. I had an engineer at the CPSC tell me that was stupid. Among other things.

The smart ones that cared are dropping like flies and leaving, the ones that are left DONT care.

Back then it was easy there were more chiefs to teach the indians. Now we just have a bunch of indians running around with to few if any chiefs.

If any of these threads influence just one indian to be more safe and aware then they served a purpose.

Peace Out

[Beemer]

Just because

the marker should always be considered armed. To think otherwise would be unsafe.

It's not the guns fault that its not safe. Its yours.

Every marker is different , every situation is different.

Generally , a marker is safe if configured in a manner that it could not be fired.

Same it true should said marker be dropped.

A barrel bagged marker is not 'safe'. I've seen bags/condoms shot thru and or shot off , many times. Removing the barrel is also not an acceptable safety measure either as many marker can still fire upwards of 100fps without one.
No air source is no guarantee as many markers will fire 1-3 shots after the tank is removed.

Loader off , well that's a no brainer since a certain amount of paint will still fall from any 'off' loader. Not to mention what maybe already in the breach.
IMO , like any other hazardous device , NO marker should EVER be truly considered safe until it has been thoroughly checked by the handler to BE safe and then said marker should still be considered UNSAFE by everyone else.

In the firearms world if we can't visibly show the action to be open and mechanically held there ( Zip tie for instance) you can't walk around with it unless it's in a case. Even that's not ideal but regardless , would likely not fly with the average paintballer.

It's a dangerous sport played prodominately by children. How do you fix that.

Nope, the problem that I see is that fields only talk about barrel bag and goggle rules, I never see them talk about the other things you can do.

take a hunter/firearm safety course. treat every gun as if its loaded. you also learn not to trust any form of safety as its just a mechanical device, and mechanical devices fail.

to really be safe, YOU need to be safe, not the marker. having a safe marker helps, but when it comes down to it , the responsiblity and safety comes from the operator./endrant

4) It is not stupid, it is a valid concern and needs to be discussed. I do not want my effing eye shot out because some kid lacks common sense, courtesy, and regard for others (i.e. me). Safety is priority #1 where I play and ref, and it should be everywhere. Kids need to be taught safety. If not for their sake, for yours.

Is it ever 100% safe when 4500 PSI is involved?

the only way that i see might change what you are all asking for would be to require a firearms safety course or hunters safety for anyone to own or operate a paintball marker. which is actually a pretty good idea.

[eric_503]

how safes this one

no safety and theres normally a maxflo on it which i cant unscrew and take off :)







wait for it wait for it

its a pump...im not going to launch 20 balls into the staging area let alone will i even have it cocked when i walk out of the playing area (pump it before i need to shoot)

the #1 saftey problem is uneducated people treating them like toys
i could walk around the whole day with this in my hand or any gun for that matter and point it at my head and know its not going to go off

you take any other random person and newer play i can gurantee you it will go off

its not the ones that are on forums 24/7 because we play all the time and have been playing for 1+ years its the new kids that need to be drilled on safety