Zomg!! My mag performed flawlessly at SPPL

[p8ntbal4me]

Fine, he "bounced." That said I still have issue with it due to the nature of how it's achieved. You are taking the mechanical operations and playing with them in a manner that it was not designed for, potentially leading to undue wear on parts which will lead to a failure of the deemed "control."

I give you kudos for not using it during the games and I'm not hating on mags or you. Obviously my opinion differs from some others here.

You cant put this label on the AGD R/T though,.... clearly stated in the promo video,.. it was AGD key point to the release of this marker. They state it many times in the video.

My opinion is that the designation between Mech-bounce and E-bounce needs to have different rules for different events. Bounce is bounce for about 90% of us. The rest that educate and wish to learn beyond the hype see different (again,... first part is opinion, second part is not)

Rogue:

I was reading a bit on the safety standards for the industry as far as insurnace guidelines. In reference to event promotion (not regular field use), modes of fire such as PSP, NXL, and Millenium were shown the support of these standards due to concent of the insurance covering the event, not the field. Do I have that backwards or something Im not aware of?

Edit: I believe this is where Wicked Air Sportz complaint about PSP/ramping comes in correct?

Just asking,.....

[RogueFactor]

Rogue:

I was reading a bit on the safety standards for the industry as far as insurnace guidelines. In reference to event promotion (not regular field use), modes of fire such as PSP, NXL, and Millenium were shown the support of these standards due to concent of the insurance covering the event, not the field. Do I have that backwards or something Im not aware of?

Edit: I believe this is where Wicked Air Sportz complaint about PSP/ramping comes in correct?

Just asking,.....

ASTM is a standards organization that set the safety standards for the paintball industry a decade ago. These standards do not include ramping modes. Not unless they have been recently, and secretly changed.

Having the consent of the insurance company is not the same as having ASTM consent. Insurance companies and fields can do whatever they want. They just open themselves to much larger risk, and liability, by not following the ASTM standards should something unfortunate happen.

[p8ntbal4me]

Okay everyone,.... I got to add some fuel to this fire cause its going to kill me and keep me up all night if I dont!

Follow this link here: PSP Rules 2007

Page 15 of 19.

Small print #53. The way that section reads,... bouncing is LEGAL in the PSP for mech markers with a cap of 15bps.

I'll say that again,.. MECH MARKERS BOUNCING are legal with a ROF cap of 15bps!

If you dont want to go look at it,... here is the paste in:

53 The rate will be measured by the shortest time between two shots.

[Pneumagger]

those rules rock ...

simplified ... limit your feed rate thus limit your ROF ... best rule ever ... so bust out your old revy and go to town ...

That's not a bad idea. They should just have a 15bps tourney lock on the halos and then it doesn't matter what the heck kinda gun people are toting.

[Pneumagger]

Okay everyone,.... I got to add some fuel to this fire cause its going to kill me and keep me up all night if I dont!

Follow this link here: PSP Rules 2007

Page 15 of 19.

Small print #53. The way that section reads,... bouncing is LEGAL in the PSP for mech markers with a cap of 15bps.

I'll say that again,.. MECH MARKERS BOUNCING are legal with a ROF cap of 15bps!

If you dont want to go look at it,... here is the paste in:

53 The rate will be measured by the shortest time between two shots. )

huh?

What about the Highlighted bold red part?

Also I'm fairly certain that an RT auto effect does not constitue a "press and release". That term refers to your finger's action pressing and releasing. In reality, you are continually pressing and the trigger is intermittently pressing back - there is no release anywhere when bouncing.

[p8ntbal4me]

That's not a bad idea. They should just have a 15bps tourney lock on the halos and then it doesn't matter what the heck kinda gun people are toting.

Good idea,.. no way to enforce it.

They have a hard enough time with PACTs on the field,.... could you imagine the technology investment it would take to check loaders?

I mean,.. look at it from how things are now.

You have caps on guns for 15bps,.. and the loaders are uncapped.
Even now, guns SOMEHOW increase in ROF durring play.

Flip that from gun to loaders,.... same thing is going to happen. The gun can be uncapped, and the loader SOMEHOW will increase ROF durring play.

Only way they are every going to stop this crazy cheating crap or "unsafe" gun issues is to make the penalties STUPID sufferage for anyone doing it. Im not talking like the PSP minor 15 point penalty per instance per game,.... Im talking 3 for 1 style penalties.

Do that a few times and get them hooked on it,.... they will wise up a bit.

Either that or change the rules to uncapped ROF like the ASTM supports,.. and re-live the semi auto rule once again.

[p8ntbal4me]

huh?

What about the Highlighted bold red part?

Also I'm fairly certain that an RT auto effect does not constitue a "press and release". That term refers to your finger's action pressing and releasing. In reality, you are continually pressing and the trigger is intermittently pressing back - there is no release anywhere when bouncing.

Same thing can be said for an electronic marker using the bounce ( trigger filter in the electronics ).

What I mean is CLEALY what they printed. All the red line says is If your ROF is above 15 your are illegal. That statement relates boucning triggers to a ROF cap. That would not have to be printed if bouncing your trigger was not legal.