XMOD BETA Testers ONLY (Questions/Comments)

[BigEvil]

Note: This is on an Xmag with less than 5 cases of paint thru it.

Yeah well there you go....

(less than 5 case of paint on it) mumbles sarcasticaly


Actually, it was working at 20 on both when I first installed the software. Even when I played the xmag seemed ok at 20. (The etac didnt).

Also as Tuna told me, increasing the plunger length a thoughsanth might help. I thought it did, but thats when the whole reg pin thing happened.

The common denomonator is the air tank. I have another that im going to try later.

[Outlaw5]

Rof

Big Evil, I just got back from my testing period. I went into the ROF and tested the settings. I found out that I can get to 18 CPS with no problems, on 19 CPS is when I start to get missed shots.

My Testing Values:
Test #6:
NXL -- ROF 15-18, 19 missed shots in the automatic portion of the NXL mode.
DWELL -- 15
FIX -- 20
PRESSURE INTO THE MARKER -- 985 PSI
BATTERY CHARGE -- 17.97 VOLTS
LVL X WITH MEDIUM SPRING -- FPS 281-285

Up through ROF 18 the marker didn't miss a beat but I believe that once ROF 19 was toggled the input pressure of 985 PSi was not enough to keep up with the marker.

My next test was NXL with a halo and ACE on.
My Testing Values:
Test #7:
NXL -- ROF 15. moved to 20 to increase to the limit of the HALO About 15 to 16 BPS (nothing earth shattering)
DWELL -- 15
FIX -- 20
ACE ON Delay of 2
PRESSURE INTO THE MARKER -- 985 PSI
BATTERY CHARGE -- 17.95 VOLTS
LVL X WITH MEDIUM SPRING -- FPS 281-285

I had two barrel breaks because of the old brittle paint but the ACE worked perfect and I had to turn up the ROF to 20 to get a 15 BPS. I will see if putting the delay to 0 will allow a lower ROF to get to the 15-16 BPS. Overall this was an excellent test and I'm going to put my warp back on for further testing.

There is more testing to come..........

MAJ Jerry "Outlaw5" Perkins, SF, De Oppresso Liber

[BigEvil]

Put my brothers Crossfire tank on the Etac... with the ROF up at 20, dwell at 15, and FIX at 5 it DID NOT skip shots, HOWEVER... the gun actually fired SLOWER than at 17 bps.


OK this is getting wierd.

Put the Etac back together. Used the suspect plunger and sear from the xmag. I made the plunger longer by about 1/2 turn and blue loc-tited it into place.

Filled my tank to 2300, put it on the etac, and it was perfect. It still didnt like over 17 bps, but up to that it shot about as well as I could have hoped for.

Put the gun directly on the scuba tank to see how it would work at 20bps. No good. Same thing. Ok, I will live with it at 17.

The Xmag is still fucoctus. I will await the new noid and such before I even attempt to mess with it again.

[Outlaw5]

Warped and Sexy!!!!!

The next testing session was with my Warp feed back on and running. Background: I have a warp feed that is connected to my main battery with a 12volt regulator for the step down in voltage and an on/off switch. The warp feed is intellied with the warp wiring harness from AGD. On the warp is my HALO.

My next test was NXL with a halo on the warp feed and ACE on.
My Testing Values:
Test #8:
NXL -- ROF 15. moved to 20 to increase to the limit of the HALO. The warp feed / halo combo kept the marker fed from ROF 15 through ROF 20 with no skipped shots (unlike before this was earth shattering!!!!)
DWELL -- 15
FIX -- 20
ACE ON Delay of 0
PRESSURE INTO THE MARKER -- 850 PSI
BATTERY CHARGE -- 19.75 VOLTS
LVL X WITH MEDIUM SPRING -- FPS 281-285

One interesting note is that I was able to get an ROF of 20 in NXL with a crossfire high pressure output tank (850 PSI). 4000PSI in the tank

This test was great to see how well my warp worked with the HALO, how the feed system would keep up with the software and how all this would tie together with the ACE on. It does all that is advertised!!!! The NXL mode is very impressive and now that my hardware issues are solved the gun is truely unleased in its capabilities.

More to come.......
MAJ Jerry "Outlaw5" Perkins, SF, De Oppresso Liber

[mpsd]

MPSD,

If you raise the ROF to 25 and put it in full auto is it better? try raising your dwell to 30 does that help with the ROF at 15 then try that at 25. I'm not saying that these settings are good long term but for a short time they won't hurt anything. I just need to know how it affects your performance. The more detail you give me the easier it will be for me to diagnose.

try this also, with no air connected take off your grip and see if your solenoid moves up and down as you tip your gun.

With the solenoid out mine will go in at about 15degrees below horizontal and with the solenoid in it will go out at 30-60 degrees above horizontal, sometime it seems to more sticky than others but in general it moves freely.

Please do your best to describe how yours is moving just like I did so I know it that should be a concern. Hopefully you know what I'm talking about.

Also put it in PR-T mode with the solenoid off. Can you get a higher BPS then?

Are you really using micro line? Not macro line? That could be a problem too.
You could also try using a defferent Regulator, borrow one from a friend or something.

Hi, Lorne. Just made another test (sorry for the delay, I was moving my office to a bigger building the last 10 days so I didn't have the time to test it before).
What's happening now is that when I put it on PSP mode, I can hear the solenoid moving up and down but it's not firing the gun at all times. It looks like it fires when I touch the trigger but not when the ramping is working.
This happens also in Full Auto mode (It fires when I pull the trigger, then all I can hear is the solenoid moving at 25 bps). I charged my battery and my Max Flo runs at 750 psi, acoording to it's manual (I'm using it with a Macro Line).

The solenoid is moving freely so I don't know what's going on... The gun just came from a complete review by Tuna and it's working perfecly in SEMI mode, either with your software or with AGD's 3.2. The ROF is the same also, with either the solenoid on or off. I think the 12 bps is a problem in the interface between the trigger and the arm of the user (got that? :)). But, still, 12 bps is good enough for me. My girlfriend is not complaining... LOL

Please, tell me if you know if there's anything I can do to fix the ramping modes.
I also would like to ask you to send me Beta 1.6 when it's ready. I'll play tomorrow as well and I would like to test it again by then, having either a new tip or a new software version.

Thanks again,

Mendel.

[Outlaw5]

What could be the problem????

MPSD, I see what you have been working through and I have to say that the plunger moving inside the noid with no resistance, ie. the test that you just quoted Lornecash is paramount. Now knowing that Tunaman is one of the greats I'm sure yours is able to do this. I would just check one more time.

The one thing I would check is the input pressure. 750PSI is a little low. I would give myself about 850-900PSI that way you know you aren't starving the marker.

Next, What are your settings? What is the Dwell, Fix, ROF?? I will say that once I fixed the plunger/noid alignment I was able to lower the dwell from 30 to 15 and have no problems. I would only set the ROF to a Max of 20. I haven't gotten past that mark with reliability yet. I would suggest testing at the ROF you want and not "trick" the marker into a faster ROF. That speed might not have enough power to trip the sear, Dwell would have to be higher around 25-30, or the valve won't reset fast enough because of the input pressure being low.

Give us the test settings and keep the info coming, it will help all that get the new software.

One thing I can say is that is not load and forget software.....its for the thinkin player.....I love that!

V/R MAJ Jerry "outlaw5" Perkins, SF, De Oppresso Liber

[BigEvil]

Hi, Lorne. Just made another test (sorry for the delay, I was moving my office to a bigger building the last 10 days so I didn't have the time to test it before).
What's happening now is that when I put it on PSP mode, I can hear the solenoid moving up and down but it's not firing the gun at all times. It looks like it fires when I touch the trigger but not when the ramping is working.
This happens also in Full Auto mode (It fires when I pull the trigger, then all I can hear is the solenoid moving at 25 bps). I charged my battery and my Max Flo runs at 750 psi, acoording to it's manual (I'm using it with a Macro Line).

The solenoid is moving freely so I don't know what's going on... The gun just came from a complete review by Tuna and it's working perfecly in SEMI mode, either with your software or with AGD's 3.2. The ROF is the same also, with either the solenoid on or off. I think the 12 bps is a problem in the interface between the trigger and the arm of the user (got that? :)). But, still, 12 bps is good enough for me. My girlfriend is not complaining... LOL

Please, tell me if you know if there's anything I can do to fix the ramping modes.
I also would like to ask you to send me Beta 1.6 when it's ready. I'll play tomorrow as well and I would like to test it again by then, having either a new tip or a new software version.

Thanks again,

Mendel.

Lower your BPS. 25 is too high. Dont go higher than 17 and see how it works. Raise it by 1 bps, test it, and keep going until you hit a bps it doesnt work at.

[mpsd]

MPSD, I see what you have been working through and I have to say that the plunger moving inside the noid with no resistance, ie. the test that you just quoted Lornecash is paramount. Now knowing that Tunaman is one of the greats I'm sure yours is able to do this. I would just check one more time.

The one thing I would check is the input pressure. 750PSI is a little low. I would give myself about 850-900PSI that way you know you aren't starving the marker.

Next, What are your settings? What is the Dwell, Fix, ROF?? I will say that once I fixed the plunger/noid alignment I was able to lower the dwell from 30 to 15 and have no problems. I would only set the ROF to a Max of 20. I haven't gotten past that mark with reliability yet. I would suggest testing at the ROF you want and not "trick" the marker into a faster ROF. That speed might not have enough power to trip the sear, Dwell would have to be higher around 25-30, or the valve won't reset fast enough because of the input pressure being low.

Give us the test settings and keep the info coming, it will help all that get the new software.

One thing I can say is that is not load and forget software.....its for the thinkin player.....I love that!

V/R MAJ Jerry "outlaw5" Perkins, SF, De Oppresso Liber

Hey, thanks for the answers, guys!

Big Evil, the ROF set at 25 was Paul's suggestion for testing purposes. I already brought it back to 15.
About the gas input pressure, that's my Max Flo's default. It's the new one, called Max Flo Micro, preset.
Dwell was in 15. Raised it to 30 (also another of Paul's suggestions) and left it there.
Fix is set at 10.

Thanks anyway for your inputs. Any other suggestions?

Regards,

Mendel.

[LorneCash]

MPSD,
750psi is WAY too low, I'd be suprised if you could hit 17BPS with that low of input. I have not done a lot of testing in this category but you really need to get a reg that will allow you MINIMUM 850psi hopefully 1000psi - 1200psi. That's the only way you will be able to get the higher rates of fire. The Mag is a High pressure gun and you can's starve it of air and expect it to perform. One of my BETA testers hooked his X-Mag directly to a scuba tank with 2900psi and was able to get 31BPS in E mode with no mechanical bounce.

[BigEvil]

MPSD, call smart parts, explain that you need to raise the tank output to 1000 and see if they have a HP spring set. They might. THen again, they might ask you WTF?

[bambam]

Paul, are there any room left to implement a few functionality in the menu system?
After reviewing the menu layout scheme, I immediately noticed there was no way to know if the maker is on or off. The AGD 3.2 s/w had a blinking dot every secod or so indicating the marker was on.
Also, along the line of the low batt indicator, how about adding a voltmeter/gauge to know the current battery pack level?
Lastly, how about a 15 min sleep or shutoff mode when you forget to turn it off???

[LorneCash]

Paul, are there any room left to implement a few functionality in the menu system?
After reviewing the menu layout scheme, I immediately noticed there was no way to know if the maker is on or off. The AGD 3.2 s/w had a blinking dot every secod or so indicating the marker was on.
Also, along the line of the low batt indicator, how about adding a voltmeter/gauge to know the current battery pack level?
Lastly, how about a 15 min sleep or shutoff mode when you forget to turn it off???

The blinking light would be a possibility but personally I just don't like that. Here's an easy way to tell if its on... If the switch is on, it's on... lol.

The voltmeter thing was actually one of my ideas but I found that it would be impossible without redesigning the board.

I also looked into the sleep mode but again because of how the board is designed that's not possible either.

[LorneCash]

Sorry guys but please don't use BETA 1.6 just yet. I've Found several bugs in that cause the settings to reset. I know what they are now but I don't have time to fix them tonight. I'll see if I can do it sometime early this week but there's a possibility that I won't get to it until next weekend. Something is happenning that I didn't originally anticipate and I will probably wind up doing a semi major change(double buffering) to how I read and write the EEPROM to fix it.

[temilotzin]

Got the programmer today, boy that was fast! Got everything set up but I am having trouble saving the old software. I followed steps 5 and 6 exactly but when I hit the read button I get a prompt that tells me that 1.5 flash.hex already exists, and asks me if I want to replace it. If I say no nothing happens and if I say yes it says read OK but no save option is given. Did I just over write my new software with the old one? How can I know? I need some help before I proceed.

[temilotzin]