Replacing the on/off valve with an electro mechanical solenoid?

[p8ntbal4me]

My thought on this was to replace the on/off with a electronic poppet valve and use the opposing cycle to trigger the bolt release. Much like the relationship the sear has to the bolt and on/off now,... but as the poppet valve gets energized to close, the same signal and timing activate the bolt release.

There is a gap of milliseconds on the on/off, I can see it in the video but I cant tell exactly how much of a gap. The space between the o-rings would be the logical place for the timing issues to develope.

Its all just ideas,... Im sure if this ever comes to be it will take AGD to a WHOLE new level.

[RRfireblade]

Simplest way is to lose the on/off assembly and 2 part sear all together and use like say , the bolt shaft to open and close the flow of air via a simple sprung ball poppet/valve.

Like for instance , the way we did it with the Armson semi.

[LorneCash]

I may be able to help...

Pneumagger... I may be able to help you, I have modeled the entire X-Valve in SolidWoks
2007... I also animated the assembly/disassembly (not that that would help but it's cool to
watch) I was about to upload an eDrawing but I just noticed that I accidently saved changes
to the springs in the Valve... I'll have to wait to post the eDrawing until I can get home and
measure those springs again to fix the models. Here's a pic of the Valve without the
springs.




Click Here to download a high res of this pic

[surfbum]

Pneumagger... I may be able to help you, I have modeled the entire X-Valve in SolidWoks 2007... I also animated the assembly/disassembly (not that that would help but it's cool to watch) I was about to upload an eDrawing but I just noticed that I accidently saved changes to the springs in the Valve... I'll have to wait to post the eDrawing until I can get home and measure those springs again to fix the models. Here's a pic of the Valve without the springs.

picture no worky

[Pneumagger]

Pneumagger... I may be able to help you, I have modeled the entire X-Valve in SolidWoks 2007... I also animated the assembly/disassembly (not that that would help but it's cool to watch) I was about to upload an eDrawing but I just noticed that I accidently saved changes to the springs in the Valve... I'll have to wait to post the eDrawing until I can get home and measure those springs again to fix the models. Here's a pic of the Valve without the springs.

awesome! Any of this information would be super helpful.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2317155#post2317155

[don miguel]

I've had my senior design project to build an electro pneumatic MAG VALVE replacement approved. The solenoid to run the valve should be able to fit in the space saved by not needing a sear.

It will rock

it would be a heck of alot faster than a standard mag valve w/ sear.

[y0da900]

it would be a heck of alot faster than a standard mag valve w/ sear.

Because mags are so painfully slow using that configuration? Having no sear does not make something faster by default. Having a sear does not make something slower by default. There are advantages to using a sear over pneumatics in some designs, and some pitfalls in others.

How did your head not pop when you clicked the link named "Deep Blue"?

[p8ntbal4me]

How did your head not pop when you clicked the link named "Deep Blue"?

LOL! You are now officially my 2nd Hero

[warbeak2099]

LOL! You are now officially my 2nd Hero

Lol agreed. I was just thinking of how to re-design the mag valve. Not that there is anything wrong with the sear system, just thinking of something fresh. That BOHICA character understood exactly. What a smart guy :dodgy:

[RavishingEddie]

Hey guys I am not sure if someone already mentioned this, but if someone (one of us) perfects this mod and sells it as a drop in mod, then there would be a demand for possibly a lighter more efficient bolt system since it no longer will need a strong enough bolt to latch on to the sear. If I'm not mistaken I think this is one of the biggest problems with creating a newer bolt for the mag. Maybe this is what Rouge needs for that bolt project he was working on :)

Or better yet a drop in mod with a new bolt system included! I would pay alot $$$ for that

[Mongoose]

Because mags are so painfully slow using that configuration? Having no sear does not make something faster by default. Having a sear does not make something slower by default. There are advantages to using a sear over pneumatics in some designs, and some pitfalls in others.

How did your head not pop when you clicked the link named "Deep Blue"?

[viper-mayhem]

I may not have sufficient knowledge of legalities but if you sell it as a "Drop In Kit", Smart Parts could not go after the manufacturer because it will be considered a Electropneumatic Marker, right? Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

[Pneumagger]

I believe that was the the loophole behind the "MQ Valve" upgrade. then again, it was only a valve and not the bord/switch/solenoid combo.

[warbeak2099]

I may not have sufficient knowledge of legalities but if you sell it as a "Drop In Kit", Smart Parts could not go after the manufacturer because it will be considered a Electropneumatic Marker, right? Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

This idea is not pneumatic though. It uses an electro magnetic solenoid, not an EP noid.

[Liquid Plummer]

This idea is not pneumatic though. It uses an electro magnetic solenoid, not an EP noid.

Some of the poppet talk, and rear solenoids instantly reminded me of the PGI Mayhem. Blow forward design that was searless, and had the bolt reset by a spring. Nice design really. Very simple. Just handicapped by a terrible board.