Mother of all drug busts???

[teufelhunden]

You can't cut taxes and fight a feakin 177 MILLION a DAY war.

Actually, quite the opposite occurs. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18595849/

Since Bush's tax cuts, the IRS keeps collecting more and more money. Hm. Is it because supply side economics really do work? Perhaps?

Now we get your "spend it like we stole it" Democrats [hm they kinda did] away from anything of importance, kill spending, lower the taxes to a point where the government has enough to run off of while paying back our national debt at a pace that will get us out of the hole in X number of years and all is well.

[FiXeL]

When are people going to realize, drugs are not the problem, people that do them are. Legalize it, tax it and let responsible people consume it in a responsible way. If you take away the criminal part of all drugs, the drug related crimes will drop like a stone. Other countries with either legal or relaxed laws regarding drugs do not have the same crime issues related to them as we do here in the US. The billions spent on the so called "war on drugs" is a joke. It wastes tax payer dollars that could be used on other needed projects.

No, you are making it sound like it's ok to use drugs and it's not. Alot of hard substances cannot be consumed in a responsible way due to their addictive properties. Heroin, Crack, Cocaine are very addictive, and even pot can be addictive.

Let's just say legalise everything. Drug related crimes would drop, sure. But the cost for medical attention would skyrocket.

Other countries with either legal or relaxed laws regarding drugs do not have the same crime issues related to them as we do here in the US.

I come from the Netherlands and we have the very same problems with drugs. Only over here they don't inprison you for possesion. Sure you are allowed to buy and consume small quantities of weed over here in coffeshops, but those shops are a breeding ground for juvile delinqents and some shops sell other illegal substances under the counter. Also alot of people that go to coffeshops also use other drugs and are often criminals, or have criminal records. The kids that come there are between 16-20yrs and are very likely to experiment with other drugs. Then you have "house dealers" officially they only sell weed or hashish, but alot of them also will eagerly sell you something else.

The thing with drugs is you try it and if you like it you will do it again. After a while you try something else. And there's your problem.

Weed looks very harmless but they grow some very potent weed that has so much THC in it, it should be classified as hard drugs and usually it's a stepping stone to try something else. And strangely enough you can buy it legally in the netherlands. The production is illegal tho, but most of the people that produce it are more or less involved in a criminal organisation, depending on the scale of their operation. Sometimes weed farms are so big that they use old warehouses and huge green houses to grow the stuff. Electricity is offcourse illegally tapped.

Drugs are not the cause of the problem, but is a result. Why do people use drugs? Most people i've known using drugs are under class, no education, criminal records, unemployed, poor, no perspective in life.

If you could change that, drug usage would drop.

[druid]

tl;dr all the other responses. I will later when I get home from working a double shift...

When are people going to realize, drugs are not the problem, people that do them are. Legalize it, tax it and let responsible people consume it in a responsible way. If you take away the criminal part of all drugs, the drug related crimes will drop like a stone. Other countries with either legal or relaxed laws regarding drugs do not have the same crime issues related to them as we do here in the US. The billions spent on the so called "war on drugs" is a joke. It wastes tax payer dollars that could be used on other needed projects.

When are you going to realize that society n general will never cater to this desire? Kalifornia has been trying it for decades...the most progressive and tolerent State my ***. Look at it's major cities...the largest populations of freaks in any city of comparable size, 2nd highest murder rate in the Nation (surpassed only by DC), largest prison system of all the States (and not for 'just' drug use per se), largest gang populations, seconded by New York and why? Prevenelce of drugs/sales and usage. Support that?....yer living in your own little pipe dream.

I shouldn't say anything for a while because YOU don't agree with what I have to say? LOL, sure, Ill be quiet. :spit_take
Nope...everyone's entitled to their opinion...even when they are wrong
I know my way of thinking is hard for some, such as yourself, to handle. It's ok to have your head barried in the sand, heck most of America is doing the same thing.
Wrong. Most of America ISN'T doing the same thing - only the rebellious juveniles that ::awwwwwww::...has so much pressure to deal with ::awwwwwwwwwww:: at the ripe old age of 14...please - Spare us the Liberal diatribe of lame excuses to run against the grain of societal "normality." The only head that's buried in the sand is the one thinking that taxing this crap is going to make life 'better'.
Pull it on out and look around, it's ok, give it a try you may discover a few things.
I'm sure he'd like to but sand is one of the best ways to protect one from getting mired in cow flops...
Or is it another place people have their head?

From a Law Enforcement perspective:
1. You cannot allow the numbing/dumbing of people who are in control of others...bus drivers, truckers hauling chemicals/explosives, et al, teachers, babysitters, police, firefighters, military personnel....etc etc
2. You cannot allow the rapist or diaper sniper (sexual child predator) easier access to additional "party favors" for their crimes of choice
3. People are already idiots...they don't need any more snorted/injected retard powder or moron juice...
4. When their health fails, the burden of the health care costs will fall on the rest of society...to which I already pay too much for the millions on welfare that refuse to go to work. You don't think they are going to pay for it themselves, do you? People already abuse the healthcare system by running to the emergency room for a snotty nose...instead of going to their family doctor where they might have to put some money down...
5. Sure....let everyone get stoned. Let them party until they black out for a few years. Let them wake out of their drug induced stupor, only to fnd out that we've been wiped out or overrun by some 2nd or 3rd world country with an attitude against our Nation...

You sir, only care about yourself and what's "in it for you". You need to leave our country until you are able to remove your own cramium from your own rectum...

[paintballfiend]

These drugs will never be legal because the government doesn't want any competition. They want you to use drugs, as long as it's their drugs. Why do you think there are so many people taking antidepressants? They make life more tolerable and keep people comfortable to the fact that our country is really messed up right now.
Another reason these drugs won't be legal is because people are too stupid to use them properly. I think coke, meth, heroine, etc. are horrible, but other drugs are meant to be tools to be used to get a better understanding of what the hell is going on.

[Steelrat]

These drugs will never be legal because the government doesn't want any competition. They want you to use drugs, as long as it's their drugs. Why do you think there are so many people taking antidepressants? They make life more tolerable and keep people comfortable to the fact that our country is really messed up right now.
Another reason these drugs won't be legal is because people are too stupid to use them properly. I think coke, meth, heroine, etc. are horrible, but other drugs are meant to be tools to be used to get a better understanding of what the hell is going on.

Conspiracytheory much? Watch out, the UN choppers are coming!

[paintballfiend]

Conspiracytheory much? Watch out, the UN choppers are coming!

If you say so. But don't worry about it man, think what you want to think. Leave the critical thinking to the people who have their head out their butt.
The problem is people are too caught up with what their neighbors are doing. If everyone first worried about what they are doing and worked on it, then they can worry about the people aroung them.

[Steelrat]

If you say so. But don't worry about it man, think what you want to think. Leave the critical thinking to the people who have their head out their butt.
The problem is people are too caught up with what their neighbors are doing. If everyone first worried about what they are doing and worked on it, then they can worry about the people aroung them.

I worry about the methhead who can't hold a job ripping off my crap to feed his habit. Know many hardcore drug users? If you could absolutely guarantee that legal drug users would stay in their house, not use public health care, not use public assistance, not go out in public while using drugs (including operating a motor vehicle), don't have kids, and wouldn't commit crime to fund their habit, then I'm all for it. Let 'em rot in their own stupidity. Otherwise, I gotta say no.

What about life is so bad that people need to take drugs to escape it?

[Steelrat]

If you say so. But don't worry about it man, think what you want to think. Leave the critical thinking to the people who have their head out their butt.
The problem is people are too caught up with what their neighbors are doing. If everyone first worried about what they are doing and worked on it, then they can worry about the people aroung them.

I also like how you think that because I don't believe your theory, I must not be a critical thinker. Do you even know my political beliefs?

[zipity_Bop]

When are people going to realize, drugs are not the problem, people that do them are. Legalize it, tax it and let responsible people consume it in a responsible way. If you take away the criminal part of all drugs, the drug related crimes will drop like a stone. Other countries with either legal or relaxed laws regarding drugs do not have the same crime issues related to them as we do here in the US. The billions spent on the so called "war on drugs" is a joke. It wastes tax payer dollars that could be used on other needed projects.

waste of tax dollars........ keeping drugs out of schools is a bad idea your right...

and how do you expect to eliminate the criminal side of drugs? I assume your talking about the dealers being the criminals... well since consuming the drugs is still illegal then its impossible to eliminate the criminal side..... and I hope you don't think there is such a thing as a responsible adult who consumes drugs.... And your right the relaxed laws in Jamaica have totally changed it, it's not like there is rampant poverty and underground crime... And there is no responsible way to consume a drug...

[FiXeL]

These drugs will never be legal because the government doesn't want any competition. They want you to use drugs, as long as it's their drugs. Why do you think there are so many people taking antidepressants? They make life more tolerable and keep people comfortable to the fact that our country is really messed up right now.
Another reason these drugs won't be legal is because people are too stupid to use them properly. I think coke, meth, heroine, etc. are horrible, but other drugs are meant to be tools to be used to get a better understanding of what the hell is going on.

Hah, Thou shall not steal - The goverment does not tolerate competition. But if this is planned? Well, i'm not the one to say it is. I do not live in the states, but i can give some examples of legal "drugs" in the netherlands. Cigarettes for example. Let's say i go out to buy a pack of marlboro... The price i pay for it consists of nearly 50% "Accijns" a fancy word for TAX. They say it is to prevent people from smoking, but every now and then they raise the tax. When i started to smoke 15 years ago, a pack of cigarettes was maybe $3. Nowadays its closer to $7. But people still smoke and pay the price anyways. A few years ago you could get cheap cigarettes from Zwitserland for like $3 the pack. (all the brands, no bootleg stuff) The loophole in the law was that you could ship 5 packs per time without paying tax. When the goverment got news of this, they ordered the post offices to hold your shipments until there was enough to pay taxes.

Another legal "drug" is alcohol. Also this is taxed for some reason. People like it, same as gasoline for their cars. Oh and guess what? They tax that too over here!! Gas prices are rediculous over here.

They make life more tolerable and keep people comfortable to the fact that our country is really messed up right now.

That's called running away from your problems. Drugs won't help you a darn bit from easing your problems, or what messed up country you think you live in.

I think coke, meth, heroine, etc. are horrible, but other drugs are meant to be tools to be used to get a better understanding of what the hell is going on.

Now you are talking out of your behind. Drugs are not a tool to get better understanding, they are a tool to flee your problems. Any drug is bad for you if you use it regulary, alcohol, tabacco, weed, medication, cocain, everything. Eventually you will come to a point where you get dependant on the substance to feel good. This will come sneaking in the night like a spider and you will not realise it before its too late. You will drop out of school, loose your job, loose your friends, your home. First stage is denial, you think everything is ok and you can deal with it. Well, the reality is often that you start to slip into a habit of slacking downward into a vicious circle. The hardest thing for a addict is to admit he is addicted, if you can't? Well good luck - You will need it.

If you think this is a load of BS, keep in mind that i have had my own little run in with drugs and done some terrible things. Nowadays i am staying as far away from drugs as i can.

[paintballfiend]

I worry about the methhead who can't hold a job ripping off my crap to feed his habit. Know many hardcore drug users? If you could absolutely guarantee that legal drug users would stay in their house, not use public health care, not use public assistance, not go out in public while using drugs (including operating a motor vehicle), don't have kids, and wouldn't commit crime to fund their habit, then I'm all for it. Let 'em rot in their own stupidity. Otherwise, I gotta say no.

What about life is so bad that people need to take drugs to escape it?

I do know may drug users, they hold jobs like anyone else and are pretty decent people all around. Keep in mind they don't use any "hardcore" drugs like meth, speed, coke, etc. because you would be stoopid to do so. I don't like those kinds of drugs, they do horrible things. Drugs don't make people do anything because in the end it's all about choice.

What I meant is not for people to escape their problems, but to view them from a different prospective. Weak minded people use drugs to escape their "reality", and not all drug users are weak minded.

[paintballfiend]

I also like how you think that because I don't believe your theory, I must not be a critical thinker. Do you even know my political beliefs?

All I'm saying is those who get it do and those who don't don't. This issue goes deeper than political beliefs sir.

[paintballfiend]

Hah, Thou shall not steal - The goverment does not tolerate competition. But if this is planned? Well, i'm not the one to say it is. I do not live in the states, but i can give some examples of legal "drugs" in the netherlands. Cigarettes for example. Let's say i go out to buy a pack of marlboro... The price i pay for it consists of nearly 50% "Accijns" a fancy word for TAX. They say it is to prevent people from smoking, but every now and then they raise the tax. When i started to smoke 15 years ago, a pack of cigarettes was maybe $3. Nowadays its closer to $7. But people still smoke and pay the price anyways. A few years ago you could get cheap cigarettes from Zwitserland for like $3 the pack. (all the brands, no bootleg stuff) The loophole in the law was that you could ship 5 packs per time without paying tax. When the goverment got news of this, they ordered the post offices to hold your shipments until there was enough to pay taxes.

Another legal "drug" is alcohol. Also this is taxed for some reason. People like it, same as gasoline for their cars. Oh and guess what? They tax that too over here!! Gas prices are rediculous over here.


That's called running away from your problems. Drugs won't help you a darn bit from easing your problems, or what messed up country you think you live in.


Now you are talking out of your behind. Drugs are not a tool to get better understanding, they are a tool to flee your problems. Any drug is bad for you if you use it regulary, alcohol, tabacco, weed, medication, cocain, everything. Eventually you will come to a point where you get dependant on the substance to feel good. This will come sneaking in the night like a spider and you will not realise it before its too late. You will drop out of school, loose your job, loose your friends, your home. First stage is denial, you think everything is ok and you can deal with it. Well, the reality is often that you start to slip into a habit of slacking downward into a vicious circle. The hardest thing for a addict is to admit he is addicted, if you can't? Well good luck - You will need it.

If you think this is a load of BS, keep in mind that i have had my own little run in with drugs and done some terrible things. Nowadays i am staying as far away from drugs as i can.

What I meant is they don't want competition on the "feel good" drug market. What would happen to the antideprresant market if you made weed legal?

Again, I'm not for using drugs to get away from your problrms, that is what the "white drugs" do to you. Aks anyone who has used Acid or Shrooms, either they really liked them or they really don't. Ha, I have dropped out of school and quit my job WAY before I did anything. I already depend of different kinds of stimulators to fight my boredom and to "escape" reality for a couple hours i.e. computer, iPod, television. These are the things doing harm. Also, drugs don't make you do anything, because it is always your choice when it comes down to it. You chose to lie, cheat, and steal to get what you wanted, another hit. We all desire to point the finger, but all you have to do is look in the mirror to find the one responsible.

[Lohman446]

For all you freakin out, I never said legalizing drugs would make people stop overdosing and killing themselves on drugs. Guess what it is already happening NOW. I am saying taking the criminal element out of it will reduce the freakin crime associated with it.

You did say that alchohol had more issues than all other drugs. When you did so you lost credibility.

Personally I think it should be legalized. My stance though is that consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want that does not directly hurt anyone else. If we are legislating health (OMG - drugs are bad for you) don't we need to legislate health. Where does it end? OMG, you don't meet the height / weight ratio, jail for you.

Our system of dealing with the drug "problem" through the punitive judicial system does not work. Other countries that have successfully dealt with it have focused on rehabilitation over punishment. Not that I think our government should have to deal with it at all personally, at least on a federal level.

Make drugs legal, remove the incredible amount of money spent on the war on drugs. Tax drugs heavily and use the money saved and earned to fund a national health care system for everyone of some type. Turn the DEA agents into border patrol agents and secure our borders.

[FiXeL]

What I meant is they don't want competition on the "feel good" drug market. What would happen to the antideprresant market if you made weed legal?

My guess would be that the antideprresant market would plummit, and the chocolade bar market would go up. (THC eats alot of calories and the effect can be remedied with sugar)

Again, I'm not for using drugs to get away from your problrms, that is what the "white drugs" do to you.

Wrong, all drugs do that. It just depends on the fact if you use it recreationally or to run away from your problems.

Aks anyone who has used Acid or Shrooms, either they really liked them or they really don't. Ha, I have dropped out of school and quit my job WAY before I did anything.

Never was a person for the halucinetic stuff, but i did drop out of school because i smoked too much weed and did not care.

I already depend of different kinds of stimulators to fight my boredom and to "escape" reality for a couple hours i.e. computer, iPod, television. These are the things doing harm.

These things can also be addictive, and yes they can do harm.

Also, drugs don't make you do anything, because it is always your choice when it comes down to it. You chose to lie, cheat, and steal to get what you wanted, another hit. We all desire to point the finger, but all you have to do is look in the mirror to find the one responsible.

Drugs can make you do very stupid things, because you think you can do anything when high. Been there, done that and luckily survived. Look in the mirror you say? Unfortunatly that is something addicts are not capable of.

See my added text in your quote. You should look into the mirror yourself because i sence some denial in your post. I've come clean, so should you. You are cheating on your own life, and will regret it afterwards. Maybe you arent at a point that it's out of control, but eventually it will.

Before i got help, i was stoned every day. I smoked atleast a gram of weed a day and more in the weekends. And at rave parties i used coke, speed and xtc. I stole to pay for that life and now i regret even doing so. My american uncle was a alcoholic, he drank half a bottle of whiskey just before he got married. He got into a program, and helped me out when i had this problem, convincing me to do rehab. Now i am 10 years further, and i have a home, a job and a good life. But i've could have owned a house instead of renting one, and my short term memory is still not that great.

Drugs are bad, and unfortunatly i know. Please don't make the mistakes i did.