Mother of all drug busts???

[Steelrat]

See my added text in your quote. You should look into the mirror yourself because i sence some denial in your post. I've come clean, so should you. You are cheating on your own life, and will regret it afterwards. Maybe you arent at a point that it's out of control, but eventually it will.

Before i got help, i was stoned every day. I smoked atleast a gram of weed a day and more in the weekends. And at rave parties i used coke, speed and xtc. I stole to pay for that life and now i regret even doing so. My american uncle was a alcoholic, he drank half a bottle of whiskey just before he got married. He got into a program, and helped me out when i had this problem, convincing me to do rehab. Now i am 10 years further, and i have a home, a job and a good life. But i've could have owned a house instead of renting one, and my short term memory is still not that great.

Drugs are bad, and unfortunatly i know. Please don't make the mistakes i did.

Straight from the horse's mouth. If anyone should be listened to, it's FiXel apparently. He's been there and done that.

[Steelrat]

Drugs don't make people do anything because in the end it's all about choice.

Do you understand the concept of addiction? I mean the severe addiction that some drugs cause.

[paintballfiend]

See my added text in your quote. You should look into the mirror yourself because i sence some denial in your post. I've come clean, so should you. You are cheating on your own life, and will regret it afterwards. Maybe you arent at a point that it's out of control, but eventually it will.

Before i got help, i was stoned every day. I smoked atleast a gram of weed a day and more in the weekends. And at rave parties i used coke, speed and xtc. I stole to pay for that life and now i regret even doing so. My american uncle was a alcoholic, he drank half a bottle of whiskey just before he got married. He got into a program, and helped me out when i had this problem, convincing me to do rehab. Now i am 10 years further, and i have a home, a job and a good life. But i've could have owned a house instead of renting one, and my short term memory is still not that great.

Drugs are bad, and unfortunatly i know. Please don't make the mistakes i did.

I know certain drugs are just plain horrible and stupid to do. That is why I refuse to do coke, meth, speed, heroine, ecstacy, etc. I have had these drugs offered to me. All I could think of when it was presented to me was< " I know what you are and what you do, and the crap you are made out of, I don't want you, i don't even wnt to look at you, I am better than that, I am too strong for you". It's been weeks since I have done anything, and what I did was only enough to quiet the mental noise that is always going on in my head. To be honest mj is kids stuff, the "white stuff" is for the weak minded, and Acid/Shrooms are for those who seek more than other drugs.

[paintballfiend]

Do you understand the concept of addiction? I mean the severe addiction that some drugs cause.

All I'm saying is if you can choose what's for lunch you can still choose to get clean, continue the path you are on, or just end it and bite the bullet.

[warpig13]

All I'm saying is if you can choose what's for lunch you can still choose to get clean, continue the path you are on, or just end it and bite the bullet.

Been there.
Got clean.


Now I can't complain about a damn thing.

[AirAssault]

Do I believe in the legalization of Drugs: Yes. Do I believe everyone should access to them: Yes. Do I believe Alcohol is extremely dangerous: Yes, people put up the argument one beer can't kill you; but then again 15mg's of Heroin can't kill you either. And for those who say it's insanity to legalize Meth, It is legal. You want some? Fake extreme ADHD or get fat. the doc will give you round pills with an "m" on them. Over the last few years many of the drugs that the government said would kill you have suddenly became legal in some form or another. Ecstasy? Legal for PTSS. GHB: Alcoholism. Amphetamines in general: ADD/ADHD. THC (The main chemical in Cannabis): chemotherapy related nausea. If your local high school drop out can make these "illegal" substances, then a large company can make them very cheaply. Oh, wait that's done in some parts of India already (small businesses making huge amounts of these substances). Legalization of these drugs would get rid of "cutting." And before any of that, "My facts are from the anti-drug commercials" its been proven that most of the fact in them are questionable, at the very least.

Had to go with 2 cheers on that one. I wasn't even GOING to get into this, glad you did.

[AirAssault]

One little side note. They don't include the spending in Iraq in the budget, so kinda blows
that to poo......


Didn't we have a budget surplus when one of those "spend it like we stole it" dems was in the white house?

Actually, quite the opposite occurs. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18595849/

Since Bush's tax cuts, the IRS keeps collecting more and more money. Hm. Is it because supply side economics really do work? Perhaps?

Now we get your "spend it like we stole it" Democrats [hm they kinda did] away from anything of importance, kill spending, lower the taxes to a point where the government has enough to run off of while paying back our national debt at a pace that will get us out of the hole in X number of years and all is well.

[Lohman446]

The "its not that bad for you" argument is BS. Many of meth problems come from the very dirty way in which it is made on the street. It can be lab made and be far far safer (it is, in very controlled forms). That being said even that is dangerous enough and has very destructive properties.

I know for a fact that people can use meth in a controlled fashion and wean themselves off of it. I also know many very very smart / controlled people who could not. This is not like making a choice for lunch, those who used it in a controlled fashion built a lifestyle around it, and there is a very distinct physical addiction.

THat being said - I support the concept of severe penalties for breaking the law and FAR less federal laws. The doom and gloom outlook - well it does not hold, we can look at the historical context of drugs, as well as other countries that do not regulate as much, and see that. However, a lot of people on the fringes will be hurt. Not to be harsh, but thats how it is. Let me have my gun, let people use drugs, and give me very clear self defense laws. Trust me, in ten years a lot of the people who simply "cannot handle" making there own decisions will be dead, over it, or in jail.

[Lohman446]

One little side note. They don't include the spending in Iraq in the budget, so kinda blows
that to poo......


Didn't we have a budget surplus when one of those "spend it like we stole it" dems was in the white house?

If you can't understand the concept of a cyclic economy don't post things like this. Surely you do not expect (with the war being an exception) that today's economic policies have an effect, well today.

[Bolter]

When are people going to realize, drugs are not the problem, people that do them are. Legalize it, tax it and let responsible people consume it in a responsible way. If you take away the criminal part of all drugs, the drug related crimes will drop like a stone. Other countries with either legal or relaxed laws regarding drugs do not have the same crime issues related to them as we do here in the US. The billions spent on the so called "war on drugs" is a joke. It wastes tax payer dollars that could be used on other needed projects.

Name a country that has legalized or relaxed the drug laws, that isnt funked up.

[Lohman446]

Name a country that has legalized or relaxed the drug laws, that isnt funked up.

The Netherlands, Canada (if you want to consider marijuana), Brazil....


Of course, there are counterexamples where strict enforcement of very strict laws has worked too.

[Bolter]

Drugs are illegal in the Netherlands. I don't know about Canada. It is against the law to do any drugs in the Netherlands. They tolerate you smoking weed in coffee shops in Amsterdam, but not anywhere else. Of course, if you cause no trouble, you can get away with it, but thats the same the world over. Are hard drugs legal in Canada?

Edit: sorry I guess you meant weed in Canada. Im interested to hear more about Brazil.

[AirAssault]

If you can't understand the concept of a cyclic economy don't post things like this. Surely you do not expect (with the war being an exception) that today's economic policies have an effect, well today.

He posted numbers about the budget, I let him know the billions spent on the war are not part of the budget, that is all. If you can't read maybe YOU shouldn't post.

[Lohman446]

Drugs are illegal in the Netherlands. I don't know about Canada. It is against the law to do any drugs in the Netherlands. They tolerate you smoking weed in coffee shops in Amsterdam, but not anywhere else. Of course, if you cause no trouble, you can get away with it, but thats the same the world over. Are hard drugs legal in Canada?

Edit: sorry I guess you meant weed in Canada. Im interested to hear more about Brazil.

Brazil would be the ideal case study. My understanding of it is they switched from a punitive system to a rehabilitory system, which was also my understanding of the Netherlands. And I meant weed in Canada, it was a stretch but Im not of the "weed isn't harmful" crowd.

[druid]

rehab only works when the victim of addiction wants to be rehabbed and without self control or personal desire to stop, the victim won't....