Ban Policy Manifesto

[ThePixelGuru]

And if you're going to spin up a conspiracy theory, you should've clicked off the option for the poll whereby one can see who has voted for what option.

No kidding, wish I'd thought of that before, though fewer people probably would have voted "yes" given the fact that mods seem to treat those who disagree with them more harshly. Still, It's a little late now, being that if I post a second thread like that it'll be deleted as a duplicate. At least the mods can see that it's not just a few of us who don't like what's going on, though. And, about your "report post" point, it's not like the mods aren't already aware of and reading this thread. Reporting your posts would just let them see and not care again.

With whatever knowledge I have I will try to help those on AO who are having problems with their markers because seeing more automags on the field is great.

I will do my best to be a helpful, polite, contributing member to AO so I can see more automgs on the field because a closet is no place for an automag.

If someone insults/flames/berates me, I will do my best to handle it gracefully, because they also shoot an automag (even if they don't admit it) and that makes them slightly more tolerable.

I know, that's what pains me about this whole thing. I like Automags, I like AGD. I want to see both do well, and AO was a great way for me to give back to the company and the community that introduced me to my favorite marker. I just can't get myself to post in a place where I know the "higher-ups" couldn't give a damn about me and my contribution.

You can "poll" all you want, you can gripe all you want. You can draft all the "iron-clad policies" you want - The Mods/Admin don't have to change a thing, nor do they have to adopt any new policies if they choose not to...

They are going to do what they want, to whomever they want and whenever they want; or NOT do what they should, to whom they should and when they should...and apparently with impunity.

So I suggest you all stop whining about it and move on before they start swinging that stick just a little bit wider and a little bit harder...

Yeah, I'm beginning to learn that. I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they just didn't realize exactly what they were doing and how much it was pissing people off, but the time for that excuse is now gone. It's a shame, but if they can't read the writing on the wall it's looking like it's time for many of us to cut our losses and move on. Still, call me stubborn, but I'm gonna give it my best shot here. If we fail here and AO continues its downward spiral, at least I can say I tried. As far as the banstick goes, whatever. I'm not trying to get banned and I don't want to get banned, but if I do it just proves my point even more.

[Target Practice]

Hey look more stupid crap. I guess this is the New AO.

A manifesto? Are you serious? Manifestos are for Communists and mad bombers.

Edit: Oh and whiney little pissants on the internet. Sorry I forgot to include you.

Edit #2: YOU HAVE A MANIFESTO ABOUT A FREE INTERNET FORUM DO YOU NOT REALIZE THIS HOLY HELL YOU'RE PATHETIC.

[Lohman446]

Berlin wall man. The moderators are unust and unfair, just like the Soviet occupation of Germany.



Just ask.

[Lohman446]

I know, that's what pains me about this whole thing. I like Automags, I like AGD. I want to see both do well, and AO was a great way for me to give back to the company and the community that introduced me to my favorite marker. I just can't get myself to post in a place where I know the "higher-ups" couldn't give a damn about me and my contribution..

Its not like they don't care, they just don't care as much as you would like them to. The oddity of this whole thing is we are slowly turning from a request that the rules be enforced as written to a request that moderators use their discretion and consider a members contributions before taking any action. It seems that the initial complaint was discretion in the first place.

[ThePixelGuru]

A manifesto? Are you serious? Manifestos are for Communists and mad bombers.

Edit: Oh and whiney little pissants on the internet. Sorry I forgot to include you.

Edit #2: YOU HAVE A MANIFESTO ABOUT A FREE INTERNET FORUM DO YOU NOT REALIZE THIS HOLY HELL YOU'RE PATHETIC.

No, a manifesto a a public declaration of principle and intent, like, oh, the Declaration of Independence. Please find yourself a dictionary. Also, keep flaming. Proves my point, and the fact that you care enough to do it means at best you're a hypocrite. Thanks to you, too!

Its not like they don't care, they just don't care as much as you would like them to. The oddity of this whole thing is we are slowly turning from a request that the rules be enforced as written to a request that moderators use their discretion and consider a members contributions before taking any action. It seems that the initial complaint was discretion in the first place.

Again, you derail the discussion with willful misunderstanding. I don't ask that my contributions be considered when debating whether or not to ban me, I ask that our contributions to the forum be appreciated enough to recognize their value, that moderators recognize that without content the forum is nothing, and that disenfranchised and disrespected users provide less and lower quality content. I concede that some discretion must be used when applying the ban policy, but surely you must concede that the ban policy is neither written or adhered to with close to satisfactory accuracy, and that the moderator's "discretion" leaves something to be desired. Otherwise I wouldn't have gotten so many votes for option #1.

[Foxworthy]

Hey look more stupid crap. I guess this is the New AO.

A manifesto? Are you serious? Manifestos are for Communists and mad bombers.

Edit: Oh and whiney little pissants on the internet. Sorry I forgot to include you.

Edit #2: YOU HAVE A MANIFESTO ABOUT A FREE INTERNET FORUM DO YOU NOT REALIZE THIS HOLY HELL YOU'RE PATHETIC.

I reported your post, like I did the last flame in this thread. I again expect nothing of it.

[behemoth]

tl;dr.

how many time do we need to go over "this isnt a democracy/private owned forum'?

yall retarded.

[Lohman446]

tl;dr.

how many time do we need to go over "this isnt a democracy/private owned forum'?

yall retarded.

I don't think they get it. I don't think they get the idea of respecting that which someone else owns and the way in which said person administers it. I don't think they get the concept of there are a lot of choices out there, this is only one.

For instance, I own a shop. I can get away with a lot of things in said shop that you cannot. So can my employees. So can my friends.

[Foxworthy]

I don't think they get it. I don't think they get the idea of respecting that which someone else owns and the way in which said person administers it. I don't think they get the concept of there are a lot of choices out there, this is only one.

For instance, I own a shop. I can get away with a lot of things in said shop that you cannot. So can my employees. So can my friends.

And if you banned someone from your store for joking around or acting like your friends do they wouldn't come back. You would lose business and then eventually shut down if enough people didn't like it.

Sure you and your buddies maybe happy with get away with flaming other poster and what not. Not everyone else will. The more people that leave Automags.org for PB legion or other sites are going to cause this site to be less valuable. Not just in the worth of posters but also in the web traffic area.

The internet maybe free of democracy and what not, but any website worth its salt applies the rules fairly and evenly. Protecting "your buddies" is not a way to promote a website. If a new user came into this thread and posted like some of the other posters they would have been banned.

Even though the people that set the precedent for such actions aren't.

All the mods are doing is trying to drive out users that they aren't buddy buddy with. I know you and your buddies are laughing it up on Thordic's forums. But almost third of the users who voted, voted that their is a problem.

Of course I'm sure you all just want everyone who doens't agree with your views to go somewhere else and be all "self congratulating" that way you can all come here and be "self congratulating".

The fact you think its ok for the Mods to treat their friends differently is wrong. Especially since you yourself said that it was good that Rogue got banned cause it showed that no one was above the rules.

Yet you and your mod buddies are.

Bravo.

[teufelhunden]

Foxworthy, I know you have substantial experience here with your 7x posts over 6 years, but just as a reminder, a lot of us don't see eye to eye with the mods on plenty of issues.

Further, I think it's a -good- thing to take the poster as a whole when dealing with their posts. For instance, a disruptive poster who never really adds much of value should be dealt with more harshly than would a good and productive poster who happens to break the rules once, in the same manner as the former poster. I'm sure you don't think so, but then again, I don't care.

[Lohman446]

The fact you think its ok for the Mods to treat their friends differently is wrong. Especially since you yourself said that it was good that Rogue got banned cause it showed that no one was above the rules.

Yet you and your mod buddies are.

Bravo.

I have mod buddies? Cool. Least when I get banned for stepping over that line I'm not going to whine about injustice and unfairness and compare it to the Berlin wall.

[Foxworthy]

Foxworthy, I know you have substantial experience here with your 7x posts over 6 years, but just as a reminder, a lot of us don't see eye to eye with the mods on plenty of issues.

Further, I think it's a -good- thing to take the poster as a whole when dealing with their posts. For instance, a disruptive poster who never really adds much of value should be dealt with more harshly than would a good and productive poster who happens to break the rules once, in the same manner as the former poster. I'm sure you don't think so, but then again, I don't care.

I have a low post count cause I only try to post when I feel I have something to say, ask or add. I also was inactive for a good portion of the time.

Yes I agree that it would be great to judge the poster on the content of what they have posted. Of course that brings up the topic of Rogue who has done more good than ill but was banned for trying to get a mod to do their job. Was it wrong what he did? Yup, he could have PMed the mod or another mod.

Thing is, no offense to you or Lohman, but people have been banned for less that have contributed more in my eyes. I'm not friends with anyone on this forum whether through posting or contact outside this forum nor through other forums.

I'm not looking at this with a bias in my eyes. You may not be biased either, I'm just stating mine.

[Lohman446]

I'm not for a moment arguing that Rogue got banned for a pretty minor disturbance. I'm not even arguing that he has provided a lot to AO. I'm not even arguing that I would have banned him in the same situation. However, Rogue skates close to the line very very often. If you choose to do that sometimes you are going to find you went to far. What I am noting is that there a lot of people whining (not you) about a very minor consequence and blowing this thing so far out of proportion its ridiculous.

[Lohman446]

And if you banned someone from your store for joking around or acting like your friends do they wouldn't come back. You would lose business and then eventually shut down if enough people didn't like it.

If I had someone come in, cause a disturbance, advertise a different place, and show a total lack of respect for me, my employees, and everyone else involved removing them would make it a better place.

[A-Tach-One]

I'm not for a moment arguing that Rogue got banned for a pretty minor disturbance. I'm not even arguing that he has provided a lot to AO. I'm not even arguing that I would have banned him in the same situation. However, Rogue skates close to the line very very often. If you choose to do that sometimes you are going to find you went to far. What I am noting is that there a lot of people whining (not you) about a very minor consequence and blowing this thing so far out of proportion its ridiculous.

You have what, 50 some posts on this subject alone? You are contributing to this situation dragging on. If you really feel this way >>>>> "....lot of people whining (not you) about a very minor consequence and blowing this thing so far out of proportion its ridiculous", then let it go yourself.