PBlegion...what the hell is going on????

[thomas]

Hey:

My point is every dealer does it, and you want to complain about only one because you have a hard on for him. And a power trip? Go into business for yourself, let's see how long you last with this Mr. Nice guy stuff. Instead, just go back to your 9-5 job and call it a day.

And why don't I worry about this crap? I got more important things to worry about. It's meaningless,who gives a crap. Some info isn't any of our damn business whether you think it is or not.

-ClassicMagger

I think your posts make it very clear which one of us has a hard-on for him.

So, is your point is that every dealer steals ideas so that makes it ok or that we should complain about every other dealer in this thread?

So Rogue is just being a cutthroat businessman? Which is it, nice guy or all business? Seems he's just two-faced to me. Is the Mag world really that tough? Why doesn't Tunaman have to take shots at other dealers? He seems to get along just fine being a stand-up guy?
Seemed to work for Tom also?

Again, I know nothing of Rogue other than what I have read on the internet and from that he seems to be a jerk.

If I have the series of events correct:

1. Many people post on AO
2. Rogue has an issue with Beemer
3. Rogue gets his panties in a bunch and decides he's going to make his own forum but,he's not going to tell anyone that it's his forum because that would be to easy
4. Rogue throws a fit about the rules on AO and tries to boost support for PBL
5. BE pitches in to make PBL work
6. People post on PBL
7. People trying to sell stuff on PBL are smacked with the inane rules ( wait a minute, weren't the rules the cause for the socalled decline of AO?) But it's done by the Admin staff so Rogue isn't responsible
8. People quickly put 2 and 2 together and realize that it's just status quo for Rogue, screwing with people to stroke his own ego
9. It quickly blows up in Rogue's face and he tries to back pedal, falling back on the rules ( I thought the rules were evil. Oh wait, that was just on AO.)
10. Rogue looks like a schmuck, again

[Resurection]

Between here, PBL and other forums... one thing seems to be funny. A lot of people that do NOT post a lot or have NOT been directly involved, and are NOT any one persons friend or "supported" have come out of the woodwork to throw their two cents in. And most of this chatter is all saying the same thing - Rogue isn't as great as some people thought.

I never had a problem or issue with the guy before. Now I just don't know.

[ClassicMagger]

Hey:

There is right and wrong and calling him Smart Parts is wrong (I haven't seen him serve anyone with a Cease and Desist or ruin innovation) and so is most of that other crap. You know nothing of Rogue but what you have read and you speak with authority on these things? Who does that make look like a schmuck here.

Have you done business with Rogue? Ever bought anything from him? I would guess not but every time I see an anti-Rogue thread there you are. Here for the pile on thinking that's cool. That is why you have the big boner for him.

An idea or design that isn't patented are free for anyone to copy. It's public domain and that's the way the system works. If they are patented then you should be bashing everybody and you aren't. But there you are with that big boner for only 1 dealer that you haven't done business with.

Do you trade much here on AO? Do you own your own business? Until you do you have no clue so get a damn life. If you've ever been wronged by Rogue then you have something to complain about. The best you can do is try to join others.

BigEvil has an issue with Rogue but to let it go this far is just as much his fault as it is Rogue's. This should have been handled privately between them. Everyone here wants to applaude BigEvil when he was the guy telling everybody this stuff. If you're going to crap on Rogue you gotta crap on BigEvil too.

-ClassicMagger

[Resurection]

BigEvil has an issue with Rogue but to let it go this far is just as much his fault as it is Rogue's. This should have been handled privately between them.

This is the big truth.

Everyone here wants to applaude BigEvil when he was the guy telling everybody this stuff. If you're going to crap on Rogue you gotta crap on BigEvil too.

This is the big lie. Scott never said anything on the subject until yesterday. The whole meltdown has been over the past week. Scott never told anyone the PBl was his, just that he was there and to come over and check it out. He never told anyone anything about Rogue - and he sure as hell didn't mark Rogue as anything in this. If you had been a part to the unfolding and threads at PBL, you might have known that.

So, to quote you:

Who does that make look like a schmuck here?

[Tunaman]

Hey:

There is right and wrong and calling him Smart Parts is wrong (I haven't seen him serve anyone with a Cease and Desist or ruin innovation) and so is most of that other crap. You know nothing of Rogue but what you have read and you speak with authority on these things? Who does that make look like a schmuck here.

Have you done business with Rogue? Ever bought anything from him? I would guess not but every time I see an anti-Rogue thread there you are. Here for the pile on thinking that's cool. That is why you have the big boner for him.

An idea or design that isn't patented are free for anyone to copy. It's public domain and that's the way the system works. If they are patented then you should be bashing everybody and you aren't. But there you are with that big boner for only 1 dealer that you haven't done business with.

Do you trade much here on AO? Do you own your own business? Until you do you have no clue so get a damn life. If you've ever been wronged by Rogue then you have something to complain about. The best you can do is try to join others.

BigEvil has an issue with Rogue but to let it go this far is just as much his fault as it is Rogue's. This should have been handled privately between them. Everyone here wants to applaude BigEvil when he was the guy telling everybody this stuff. If you're going to crap on Rogue you gotta crap on BigEvil too.

-ClassicMagger

This is the absolute correct answer to this sticky situation. The PBL thing was a joint effort so no one person is to blame..or not blame. Like I said...shunt happens. Let it die. Sometimes(most times) partnerships never work out for one reason or another. This is no reason to bash or harm any of the partners. I know both Scott and Shawn like my brothers and I aim to keep it that way. I sincerely wish that they both get together and work something out...like I know they will eventually. To compare someone to Smarts parts in just not right. It isn't like that at all. And to call Rogue "unethical" is the furthest thing from the truth. I would trust this guy with my check book as I would Scott. You guys are making way too much out of this. Let it die, enjoy both sites and this too will pass. Personal attacks are not needed in this case. Whatever went down was never meant as a personal attack on anyone. From what I know of it, I can assure you that it is the truth.

[Tunaman]

Between here, PBL and other forums... one thing seems to be funny. A lot of people that do NOT post a lot or have NOT been directly involved, and are NOT any one persons friend or "supported" have come out of the woodwork to throw their two cents in. And most of this chatter is all saying the same thing - Rogue isn't as great as some people thought.

I never had a problem or issue with the guy before. Now I just don't know.

Yes you do know Dave. Both of these guys are the same great guys as they were before. Business got in the way and thats how it goes some times. We will all get back to being friends again once this passes. Mark my words...

[thomas]

Hey:

There is right and wrong and calling him Smart Parts is wrong (I haven't seen him serve anyone with a Cease and Desist or ruin innovation) and so is most of that other crap.

All Smart Parts was doing was taking shots at the little guys, by your logic that's just business, right?

You know nothing of Rogue but what you have read and you speak with authority on these things? Who does that make look like a schmuck here.

Like I said, multiple times, all I know of Rogue is what I have read on the internet. What I have read leads me to believe he is a shady individual.

Have you done business with Rogue? Ever bought anything from him? I would guess not but every time I see an anti-Rogue thread there you are. Here for the pile on thinking that's cool. That is why you have the big boner for him.

Nope, never have. Never will. When one does business with Rogue who are they doing business with? Roguesportz, RPG, themagsmith? Are they all the same, who knows?

An idea or design that isn't patented are free for anyone to copy. It's public domain and that's the way the system works. If they are patented then you should be bashing everybody and you aren't. But there you are with that big boner for only 1 dealer that you haven't done business with.

Are you defending Rogue or fishing for someone to bash other dealers? Why change the subject? I haven't done business with Smart Parts either, does that mean I can have no opinion on their business practices?

Do you trade much here on AO? Do you own your own business? Until you do you have no clue so get a damn life. If you've ever been wronged by Rogue then you have something to complain about. The best you can do is try to join others.

No. Yes. What clue do I need? My trading on AO has what to do with my opinion of Rogue being a jerk? If I trade more that makes my opinions more valid? WTF? I've never been personally wronged by Smart Parts either, have you? Join others at what?

BigEvil has an issue with Rogue but to let it go this far is just as much his fault as it is Rogue's. This should have been handled privately between them. Everyone here wants to applaude BigEvil when he was the guy telling everybody this stuff. If you're going to crap on Rogue you gotta crap on BigEvil too.

-ClassicMagger

Telling everybody what? Crap on BE for what? From what I've read he's coming out of this smelling like a rose. Good luck with the AGD spec damage control though.

[Resurection]

Yes you do know Dave. Both of these guys are the same great guys as they were before. Business got in the way and thats how it goes some times. We will all get back to being friends again once this passes. Mark my words...

i know... i just don't appreciate the method of certain recent actions. and fortunately, I am still allowed to be mad and vent about such things.

in the big picture, none of this matters.

[ClassicMagger]

Hey:

This is the big lie.

Are you saying Scott never told anybody it was his site? If you believe that, you are going to look like the schmuck.

A direct quote or two I can still find from a quick search:

Yeah it doesnt matter what they do. If anything were going on there or on any of the other forums I wouldn't have made PBL.

Well, running my own forum I completely understand it. You have alot of vindictive pricks out there in the world. On PBL, there is a whole group of mods that you guys dont even know exist. It's to everyone benefit to keep them anonymous. Now, honestly I don't know how people perceive me.. so I cant comment on why the '*****-slapping' as specifically from the AO mod team, but it doesn't matter. Then again, people outside of my part of the country watch the Soprannos on TV and think we are all mobsters ready to 'wack' someone at a moments notice :rofl2:

Not to mention didn't Scott's MySpace have PBLegion.com listed as HIS website?

Now who looks like the schmuck?

-ClassicMagger

[Ninjeff]

i could care less about personal issues between Rogue and BigE. All i care about is that two people who were offering a service that people asked for got railroaded off of a site they enjoyed for no reason except "those are the rules"

And, due to this issue, i couldnt get work i needed done on time.

[Shane-O-Mac]

i could care less about personal issues between Rogue and BigE. All i care about is that two people who were offering a service that people asked for got railroaded off of a site they enjoyed for no reason except "those are the rules"

And, due to this issue, i couldnt get work i needed done on time.

I agree.

And heres the problem I see. Rogue has listed a website for his "Dealer" requirements, but it goes to nowhere, and he breaks the "Rules" while closing others threads that are doing the same thing. Now if he came out and said something like, "Its my website, and I will post as I like" I could understand that, may not like it, but its straight and to the point. Moderators have to be above the rules and follow them even tighter than they expect anyone else to do.

And to add to others thoughts, I will not do business with any of Rogues businesses. I only go by what I have seen and read on the web, and make my decision on his own posts and actions, not others accounts/opinions. And I will not visit PBL anymore.

Who is in the wrong makes no difference, but the actions speak for themselves. Everyone will have their opinion of what happened, and thats fine, do as you fwwl you need to do. But this thread should die, everything has been said that needs to be said......

A wise man once told me, "Never argue with someone on the internet, people looking on cant tell who is who"

[Indignant]

Nor-Cal brew-ha-ha from a few summers ago was way more hardcore. You guys fail.

word. see how it's done... move out west

[Mongoose]

Yes you do know Dave. Both of these guys are the same great guys as they were before. Business got in the way and thats how it goes some times. We will all get back to being friends again once this passes. Mark my words...

thats fine...but can you find out why i am banned???

i can not go on pbl at all....and i really need to keep up with my tunaball lunch thread....now its making me look bad!!

[Lohman446]

if I ran a business in such an embarassing way as Rogue does I would be fired This and his past actions should not be so easily shrugged off. I find it amusing that it took this long for some of you to catch on.

[BigEvil]

I find it amusing that it took this long for some of you to catch on.

That wasn't their fault, it was mine.