X-Men Origins... Steaming pile of cow dung

[Warwitch]

I think we can all forget about ever seeing a comic movie that keeps strictly to the books. They have completey jacked the Marvel universe beyond recognition. Especially the whole Weapon X chapter. I guess thats why they waited so long to do the movies. They are appealing to the younger demographic. Most of which have not read most of the books that told these stories to begin with.

[Steelrat]

DEADPOOL the next X-men spin off.

How do you come back from decapitation? I was wondering how they could screw this character up more.



Reynolds to reprise Deadpool in "X-Men" spin-off

Ugh. So they completely screw up his character, have him beheaded, and have a nuclear reactor cooling tower collapse on him, THEN try to spin-off his character? Is it really that hard to write a script for a movie? Deadpool is awesome, but they screwed it up so badly in this one that they better leave well-enough alone.

What's worse, because it's pretty-boy Ryan Reynolds, you KNOW they're going to have him without a mask. God, I'm no comic-book geek, but their failure to maintain any sort of consistency between movies is pissing me off.

[Lohman446]

Wasn't deadpool known for his wisecracks anyways?

Y'all know far too much about these things

[teufelhunden]

If you go in expecting any sort of similarity to the source, you're going to be disappointed. I never read X-Men as a kid, but I was big into transformers and make the internet rounds on some boards from time to time -- the nerds really need to let go. It's not going to be true to anything, it never will be, and expecting that it will be is asinine. I think it would be similar to get mad because the comic books have things that aren't in real life... come on. And as they say, the book is always better than the movie; it's not a condemnation of filmmakers everywhere, it's an understanding that through the printed media you can convey a lot more and go into substantially further detail than you can in the movie. Not to mention, you're usually looking at a different audience with the book... like, people who can read (so, roughly 30% of people these days, it would seem).

I think that was a pretty terrible rant but I'm hitting post anyway.

[Steelrat]

I guess I have two big problems.

1-If they are looking for artistic license to depart from comic canon, why insert all the little things that they do in an obvious attempt to appeal to those same diehards? It's like a love/hate thing.

2-Why even depart from canon, if the only result is that the movie sucks, even from an objective, non-fan point of view? Even those who don't know anything about the X-men think the ending was a stupid steaming pile of crap. Why not do a Watchmen, and copy an excellent story pretty much verbatim?

[Babylon 5]

If you go in expecting any sort of similarity to the source, you're going to be disappointed. I never read X-Men as a kid, but I was big into transformers and make the internet rounds on some boards from time to time -- the nerds really need to let go. It's not going to be true to anything, it never will be, and expecting that it will be is asinine. I think it would be similar to get mad because the comic books have things that aren't in real life... come on. And as they say, the book is always better than the movie; it's not a condemnation of filmmakers everywhere, it's an understanding that through the printed media you can convey a lot more and go into substantially further detail than you can in the movie. Not to mention, you're usually looking at a different audience with the book... like, people who can read (so, roughly 30% of people these days, it would seem).

I think that was a pretty terrible rant but I'm hitting post anyway.

It's not a matter of doing things differently than comics for me, cause there are quite afew movies that don't follow the comics canon that I think are still great movies. Like the Spiderman 1&2 , Transformers, and the Christian Bale Batman movies.

What the problem is that they try to reinvent the wheel, when in fact the wheel to begin with is not broken.

[Lohman446]

If you want high dollar high production value movies with stars and great special effects you are going to have to make them appeal to the mass audicence. I don't want to have to take a nerd interpertor with me to explain what is going on. The books had decades to establish (and often rewrite / define) canon, the movies are lucky to have 3 or 4 two hour movies.

[Drachen]

If you want high dollar high production value movies with stars and great special effects you are going to have to make them appeal to the mass audicence. I don't want to have to take a nerd interpertor with me to explain what is going on. The books had decades to establish (and often rewrite / define) canon, the movies are lucky to have 3 or 4 two hour movies.

But see, that's the thing. If you're going to go and do a movie on an idea that has already been established, you don't go and hack it to pieces, and add random crap to it to mold it to how you want it to be seen. You're doig it on a idea that people have come to like, you don't go and change the key ideas in it.

Kind of like how it was popular for a while at concerts, for bands to change their songs just for the concerts, than what people already liked. People aren't going to see them in concert for their new take on old songs. They're going for the long of the old songs, to see it in person.

I liked the movie, when I'm not thinking about it from a comic book stance....but there's just some things that should've been left alone if they weren't going to be done correctly.

[StygShore]

Fox's treatment of the X-Men franchise has been heaps worse than almost anything I have ever seen. If it weren't for:

but but... that movie has one of the best lines EVER uttered on celluloid...

Jake: What the do you call 125 murders in 5 years?
The Punisher: Work in progress....



Styg

[Warwitch]

I don't want to have to take a nerd interpertor with me to explain what is going on.

:rofl:

[warbeak2099]

Ryan Reynolds actually did a fantastic job as Wade Wilson and I'm excited to see if he can resurrect Deadpool from the anal rape that Hollywood gave him in the next movie.

As to people saying, "get over it, movies take creative license", I understand that. But when you take so much creative license that the movie becomes a completely different entity from anything that the comic represented, it's a crappy movie, cool special effects or not. Origins was also just a crappy movie in general.

[VFX_Fenix]

Ryan Reynolds actually did a fantastic job as Wade Wilson and I'm excited to see if he can resurrect Deadpool from the anal rape that Hollywood gave him in the next movie.

As to people saying, "get over it, movies take creative license", I understand that. But when you take so much creative license that the movie becomes a completely different entity from anything that the comic represented, it's a crappy movie, cool special effects or not. Origins was also just a crappy movie in general.

Aside from the departure from certain aspects of canon, which the X-Men franchise has done, what made the movie "crappy"?

Poor acting, camera work, character development, lame dialogue, uninspired action, lack of motivation on the part of the characters, just a poor story?

From an aesthetic point, my own to be exact, I felt the film was in keeping with the established universe that the films have already created. Character relationships were re-worked (giving the basis for the Wolverine vs Sabertooth grudge) and their individual motivations were reasonable. Knowing little to nothing about the actual Weapon X program, other than there are a lot of Antimantium wielding mutants in the X-Men universe and I presume they all came from the same place and Wolverine was amongst them. The only weak point I can point to in the film is the "... Walk until your feet bleed, then walk some more." line which I felt was more than a little silly but did put a point across that she wanted the man who had ruined so much of her world to wander aimlessly through the world unto his death. For my part I was also under the impression that Wolverine was much older than indicated in the film.

For a Summer Action flick, I really can't see why this film would be a "failure" in anyone's book unless they're keeping tabs on the convoluted canon that is the Marvel universe. I would point to the Onslaught books of the mid 90's as a basis for this and the subsequent reset they had shortly after that series' conclusion (Hero's Reborn).

Having some aspects of the comic universe's canon does lend credibility to the story as a whole and gives the fan boys/girls something to giggle or geek out about. It's called "Fan Service".

Personally I learned a while ago that expecting a "true to text" rendering of a film from certain source material just wasn't something to be expected. There are always concessions to be made when adapting something to the screen. The was never more punctuated that when I went to see the first X-Men movie which I left feeling pretty bummed about, and yet the people I went to see it with loved it and none of them had ever read any of the comics.

So, put yourself apart from the bit that loves the X-Men comics (this might be harder for some than others) and just enjoy a good Summer action flick with lots of mindless carnage and destruction. Seriously, leave expectations at the door and just take it in for what it is and then render judgment.

[Steelrat]

After watching Star Trek, I am even more disappointed with Wolverine.

[Eatem Alive]

Didn't notice if this was mentioned but did anyone stay until after the credits?

[VFX_Fenix]

After watching Star Trek, I am even more disappointed with Wolverine.

I won't argue that, I do believe that Star Trek was a better film.