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[going_home]

Anti Union in Florida !

I'm very thankful Florida is a right to work state.
That has mostly kept the blood sucking unions out.
Yep, that includes all of them pretty much.
Unions may have been good in the early 20th century,
but now they are nothing but a burden on the American people.
Everything they touch means higher prices for us in one way or another.

Wow, the same could be said of barak osama obama rama lama ding dong.

[SCpoloRicker]

Wow, the same could be said of barak osama obama rama lama ding dong.

So, consider this the appropriate thread to place "Them mezzzicans done take our jorbs" and "Barack HUSSEIN Obama is going to add millions of illegals to the Democratic vote with amnesty and healthcare" emails.

I said this in another thread, but Bush wasn't Hitler, and Obama isn't Stalin.

I'm also pretty darn anti-union; I think there are several industries (auto, education, defense) that have been crippled by unions.

[drg]

I've noticed that the more namecalling someone engages in, the less valid their views turn out to be upon review. Almost invariably.

[going_home]

I've noticed that the more namecalling someone engages in, the less valid their views turn out to be upon review. Almost invariably.

Nothing is valid but your view.

[drg]

Nothing is valid but your view.

Nothing is valid but reality-based views that stand up to examination of the evidentiary backing thereof. Buzzwords and ideals are not enough, we've fallen too far simply relying on those for our direction.

[ultralight]

The market for them simply was not there because American companies were not offering what people needed or wanted. .

What is America's bestselling vehicle for 23 consecutive years? Ford F-150.

What were the two top selling vehicles in 2008? Ford and Chevy fullsize pickups.

People seem to have this backwards. The auto companies make the cars that you want. The models that don't sell well get revamped or axed.

The big three don't make the cars that the hippies like. The hippies whine the loudest and so all you ever hear is "the big three don't make cars that people want."

Here's a fun fact: It costs just about as much to make a small car as it does a medium/large car. Sure, you can pay more for leather, gps, power everything, but the basics are all there. Unibody, drivetrain, electrical, wheels/tires, paint, they are all present wether you charge 15000 or 50000. It still has to be put together by people in a factory. There just isn't much profit in a small car.
Trucks on the other hand are even cheaper to build because they use older body on frame construction, and the profits are through the roof because you charge around 20000 minimum. Why do you think honda/toyota/nissan all have trucks and big SUVs in their lineups? They make lots of money on them.

[drg]

The big three don't make the cars that the hippies like. The hippies whine the loudest and so all you ever hear is "the big three don't make cars that people want."

Yeah, hippies totally caused the American auto industry's financial problems.

Your viewpoint is woefully narrowminded and it's telling that you focused on the American market. Automakers compete in the global market (of which the US market is about a quarter) and while American makers make popular pickup trucks, foreign markers put multiple cars and trucks in the US top 10 year after year, and lead the world market. Even in America, pickup trucks represent less than 15% of the market. And America still has some of the cheapest gas in the world.

The US's inability to compete on the wider market (vertically and horizontally) has badly hurt the US auto industry. The mindset of taking the easy corporate money, as you have described succinctly above, is what caused it.

[wico90]

We are all in the USA illegally get over it

[govnamac]

But who's going to build your roofs and cut your grass

Well since college is getting more and more unaffordable, and they are finally cracking down on the predatory practices of student loan agencies, I see a lot less people going to college and more entering trades.

[Destructo6]

We are all in the USA illegally get over it

According to whom?

[Ando]

Mark my words...

You all are going to be wanting them back when your strawberries, heads of lettuce, grapes, cabbage etc..etc... go up 500%

That's not counting your meats, dairy and poultry. Illegals do more then you think in this country. Your $1 McBurger and McChicken biscuit are going to suffer.

[ultralight]

Yeah, hippies totally caused the American auto industry's financial problems.

Your viewpoint is woefully narrowminded and it's telling that you focused on the American market. Automakers compete in the global market (of which the US market is about a quarter) and while American makers make popular pickup trucks, foreign markers put multiple cars and trucks in the US top 10 year after year, and lead the world market. Even in America, pickup trucks represent less than 15% of the market. And America still has some of the cheapest gas in the world.

The US's inability to compete on the wider market (vertically and horizontally) has badly hurt the US auto industry. The mindset of taking the easy corporate money, as you have described succinctly above, is what caused it.

They compete in a global market against government subsidized companies. When you consider the forces at work (yes, including corporate mis-management, and especially union leeching) against the american companies, it is amazing that they held on as long as they did.

Last I checked, opel/vauxhall weren't doing too bad in europe, neither was ford. GM just had a record sales month in china.

I am focused on the American market for two reasons: that is where the us auto makers are, and that is where the fierces battle for marketshare is taking place.

When the talking heads in the news talk about the auto companies and market shares, they aren't talking about how things are going in spain.

Taking the easy money was only a part of the problem. People talk alot about small cars when cas prices spike, but what happeded when they fell last year? Truck sales went through the roof. There is no "magic bullet", no one simple change that could have been made that would have fixed all of this. GM (focusing on them because they went under) was under an enormous burden and the economic collapse was the straw that broke their back. By all accounts, they are getting much leaner and closer to being profitable.

Also, immigration reform would be great.

Make it easier to get in legally and make it harder to get in illegally.

[Army]

Mark my words...

You all are going to be wanting them back when your strawberries, heads of lettuce, grapes, cabbage etc..etc... go up 500%

That's not counting your meats, dairy and poultry. Illegals do more then you think in this country. Your $1 McBurger and McChicken biscuit are going to suffer.

No.

It's easier to pay an illegal to pick, initially, than it is to buy the machinery. When Mr Farmer does buy the machine, he can run it 24/7, easily outstripping the pickers daily volume. Why do you think cotton is so cheap and abundant? Wheat? Oats? Rice? The manual labor factor was removed. Now, instead of hundreds of thousands of dollars paid to illegals, only tens of thousands are used for maintenance costs.

0bama is certainly not Stalin....he admired Marx, and "...surrounded myself with other Marxists, radicals, and Black Panthers..."

His words, heed them.

[drg]

His words, heed them.

Context, heed it.

[skife]

I'm very thankful Florida is a right to work state.
That has mostly kept the blood sucking unions out.
Yep, that includes all of them pretty much.
Unions may have been good in the early 20th century,
but now they are nothing but a burden on the American people.
Everything they touch means higher prices for us in one way or another.

Wow, the same could be said of barak osama obama rama lama ding dong.

michigan has a huge need for unions right now.

there are so many factory that are taking advantage of nobody having jobs and paying minimum wage. places starting out at $7.40 an hour. you can't live decent on that in michigan.

there are a ton of places around here that only employ temp workers. we need something to change in this state.