Tom Kaye, can you save our Gulf?

[cockerpunk]

Great questions ! Who is responsible to make sure these requests for waivers have been placed ? Yep it falls back again to the same pretender in chief again whether you like it or not.

but i thought the gornment wasn't supposed to regulate ANY industry. the oil industry can take care of itself, the government just gets in the way!

this reeks of SOCIALISM!

NEW FLASH: Obama regime socialising oil indusutry!




how about the oil industry should be able to take responsablity for itself? for wanting smaller government all the time, the conservatives sure are pissed that the gorvernment isn't doing more ... mostly becuase consiervatives are the ones muzzling the government in evry industry out there! can't have it both ways my friends. can't eliminate and defeat regulation then when something blows up becuase of lack of regulation blame the government!

[going_home]

but i thought the gornment wasn't supposed to regulate ANY industry. the oil industry can take care of itself, the government just gets in the way!

this reeks of SOCIALISM!

NEW FLASH: Obama regime socialising oil indusutry!




how about the oil industry should be able to take responsablity for itself? for wanting smaller government all the time, the conservatives sure are pissed that the gorvernment isn't doing more ... mostly becuase consiervatives are the ones muzzling the government in evry industry out there! can't have it both ways my friends. can't eliminate and defeat regulation then when something blows up becuase of lack of regulation blame the government!

Oh my you should read the other post before you embarrass yourself like that. Who made the jones act, the oil companies son ? You bleeding hearts can't have it both ways.

[cockerpunk]

Oh my you should read the other post before you embarrass yourself like that. Who made the jones act, the oil companies son ? You bleeding hearts can't have it both ways.

so your in favor of regulating the banks and aduting the fed then i take it? oh and healthcare, i assume your in favor of regulating the healthcare industry too.

DRILL BABY DRILL!!!!

[halB]

Thank you so much Mr. Kaye for answering. I think it's awesome that you actually respond to these things.

But one question remains: Just how powerful is 180,000 PSI? (even if that is not the pressure it is being released at).

[nerobro]

This post is going to be a bit... odd.. As your question doesn't exactly have an answer. However, it does indicate what you're really trying to ask.

Well this crosses into the area of "numbers to big for people to wrap their head around" comparing your 180pounds, a weight you can't even put on a single square inch without discomfort, to the 180,000 pounds, per square inch, is hard to handle.

it's just 100 times more force than a co2 bottle is rated for.

It's like having a SD40 locomotive sitting on your thumb. (it's 360,000lbs... your thumb is around two square inches..) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_SD40 The real problem there, is a locomotive on a 2in/sq platform would crush the plastform ;-) not just your thumb.

at 180,000psi, materials we normally consider very hard, and not very plastic, start behaving like plastic.

Honestly, it's a point where I need to break out math to really come to grips on it.

How else can we put this in perspective. 180,000psi is well beyond anything you experience in every day life. The highest pressures you might be around are the fuel injection pressures of a common rail diesel engine. Those are in the 20-50,000psi range.

I suppose we're back around to the original question. How much power does 180,000psi have? It all depends on how much area it's working on. The shoebox compressor transforms a little more than 55lb of force into 4500psi. (mind there's around 100lbs of force on the carriage in total.. so don't get your fingers in there... and here's hoping my maths right)

[classicmagplayer]

Great questions ! Who is responsible to make sure these requests for waivers have been placed ? Yep it falls back again to the same pretender in chief again whether you like it or not.

Whether you like it or not, none of this matters unless a ship has been expressly denied access upon request. Had it actually happened, I'm sure would have been covered to no end by the news and I'm also sure you would have brought up by now. In that case, you might have a point, but as it stands now this is a bunch of political BS with no substance.

[DevilMan]

Actually the news is that there are currently 32 of Kevin Costners designs on order to assist in the clean up.

DM

[going_home]

Useless Useless

Actually the news is that there are currently 32 of Kevin Costners designs on order to assist in the clean up.

DM

These genius's dont care about that man.

Its defend the pretender in chief at all costs.
No matter what idiot thing he's said or done.

For 8 years it was attack Bush at all costs and now its defend O at all costs.

And no I am not a GWB fan at all.
My opinion is we had a white idiot in the oval office for 8 years and now we have a bi-racial/black idiot in there .

Everyone thinks we have a two party political system when in fact its really one.
D or R we get the same results, America gets the short end of the stick.

They get the gold mine (tax dollars) and we get the shaft.

In the famous last words of John Wilkes Booth :

useless, useless.

carry on.

end rant//

[LK-13]

I like the KISS method.

blow it up and implode the tube
Lets nuke it...

The fusion-fission blast had a yield equivalent to 104 kilotons of TNT
Surely we have stuff with a little more pop than TNT.

Stand up, you don't have to be afraid,
get down - love is like a hurricane
Street boy, no I never could be tamed, better believe it

Guilty 'til I'm proven innocent,
whiplash, heavy metal accident
Rock on, I wanna be President, 'cos


I love it loud, I wanna hear it loud,
right between the eyes
Loud, I wanna hear it loud,
I don't want to compromise

Turn it up, hungry for the medicine,
two fisted to the very end
No more treated like aliens,
we're not gonna take it
No lies, no more alibis,

turn it up, got me hypnotized
Rock on, won't be tranquilized, 'cos

I love it loud, I wanna hear it loud,
right between the eyes
Loud, I wanna hear it loud,
I don't want to compromise

I love it loud, I wanna hear it loud,
right between the eyes
Loud, I wanna hear it loud,
I don't want to compromise

Headlines jungle is the only rule,
front page roar of the nation cool
Turn it up, this is my attitude, take it or leave it

[classicmagplayer]

These genius's dont care about that man.

Its defend the pretender in chief at all costs.
No matter what idiot thing he's said or done.

For 8 years it was attack Bush at all costs and now its defend O at all costs.

And no I am not a GWB fan at all.
My opinion is we had a white idiot in the oval office for 8 years and now we have a bi-racial/black idiot in there .

Everyone thinks we have a two party political system when in fact its really one.
D or R we get the same results, America gets the short end of the stick.

They get the gold mine (tax dollars) and we get the shaft.

In the famous last words of John Wilkes Booth :

useless, useless.

carry on.

end rant//

I think you have me confused with someone who gives a crap about the Presidential position and whichever face happens to currently be in it. My goal here was simply calling you out on your childish post title(which you have used more than once if memory serves me correctly).

Then I was forced to follow up by disputing the whole drama over "Bush suspended Jones, Obama must not care because he hasn't". Somehow in your mind, by pointing out that it is a bunch of useless banter designed to waste peoples time and divert their attention to a non-issue, I suddenly became an Obama fanboy; which I assure you I am far from.

If anything, you should be complaining that the parties responsible for the spill/cleanup havent already paid for those boats to be relocated into the gulf and also fulfilled all required paper work as soon as they realized they had a long term issue on their hands.

I question how effective these ships would be in the current situation, since this is not a localized surface spill, but is spread over an area as it rises to the surface and diffused even further by undersea and surface currents. Couple that with upcoming tropical storms and these ships will play an even more futile role.


Just to clear something up....who is this "they" which get this so-called gold mine?

[halB]

This post is going to be a bit... odd.. As your question doesn't exactly have an answer. However, it does indicate what you're really trying to ask.

Well this crosses into the area of "numbers to big for people to wrap their head around" comparing your 180pounds, a weight you can't even put on a single square inch without discomfort, to the 180,000 pounds, per square inch, is hard to handle.

it's just 100 times more force than a co2 bottle is rated for.

It's like having a SD40 locomotive sitting on your thumb. (it's 360,000lbs... your thumb is around two square inches..) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_SD40 The real problem there, is a locomotive on a 2in/sq platform would crush the plastform ;-) not just your thumb.

at 180,000psi, materials we normally consider very hard, and not very plastic, start behaving like plastic.

Honestly, it's a point where I need to break out math to really come to grips on it.

How else can we put this in perspective. 180,000psi is well beyond anything you experience in every day life. The highest pressures you might be around are the fuel injection pressures of a common rail diesel engine. Those are in the 20-50,000psi range.

I suppose we're back around to the original question. How much power does 180,000psi have? It all depends on how much area it's working on. The shoebox compressor transforms a little more than 55lb of force into 4500psi. (mind there's around 100lbs of force on the carriage in total.. so don't get your fingers in there... and here's hoping my maths right)

Wow, thanks for the answer!

[SeeK]

Wow, thanks for the answer!

Water jet cutter, up to 90,000 psi

http://www.jetedge.com/content.cfm?fuseaction=dsp_products_detail&product_ID=120

[halB]

Water jet cutter, up to 90,000 psi
http://www.jetedge.com/content.cfm?f...product_ID=120

Thanks! Well, if humans can handle half the supposed pressure, then they should be able to handle the full amount. This is what I was looking for, proof that humans are capable of using these pressures.

For a second there, I thought we were a bunch of dumb monkeys who didn't know a thing.

[skife]

so your entire counter point is a hypothetical story abour a tractor? well done.

so your going to light my country music award on fire?