Osama's Dead

[behemoth]

behemoth - good trolling man. 10/10! would get trolled again!

Yeah, sure, try to blame it on trolls. Pfft.

[hill160881]

The Wabbits did it...the Wabbits did it!

Gentlemen. There will always be holes in what the government tells the people.

Why? Because they're not going to give you every detail, they can't...It's the nature of the beast. What they tell you is what you need to know, no more...no less..

I for one don't trust them but the way they do business is a must, if you don't like it...Write to your congressmen.

our government clasified 16 million documents in 2010. I think they are going to far when it comes to what they dont tell us.

Also Ando, Obama gave up his citizenship when his step father adopted him since the new country of residence did not allow for dual citizenship. Then he used his Indonesian passport in 81 when he traveled to Pakistan and that is a reaffirmation of his citizenship with Indonesia. Indonesia did not allow for DUAL citizenship until 2005. Then there is the schooling paid for by Indonesian programs that only a citizen could get. Legally he is Indonesian, even though he was born in the USA.

I want to see pictures of OBL after he died. Good pictures that are not doctored. I want to see film of his burial and the preparations they made. I want my government to PROVE what they say. Not just say it as the truth.
Edit: Here is what JFK had to say on secrecy in the government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

Declassified documents rewrite history every day. Why do you think they have started telling the truth now?

Also evil powerful people have done horrible things throughout history, only a fool would assume we got them all and that was it. Remember Mow(60+million killed) Stallin(20+million killed) Hitler (7+ million killed). (sarcastically) But we are past that kind of bloodshed now

Not attacking ando just making some points

[OPBN]

Wow, the crazy went and exploded all up in here. Moonbats and Tin Foil hats all around.

[hill160881]

Wow way to shoot what I said down with,,,,,,,,,nothing but insults. Try arguing like an adult, not a 5th grader.

[OPBN]

Wow way to shoot what I said down with,,,,,,,,,nothing but insults. Try arguing like an adult, not a 5th grader.

I wasn't singling you out and I don't have the energy to or inclination(actually don't give a crap enough) to argue any of the points. Simply making an observation that the thread went from a pretty simple "Ding Dong the D..k is Dead" to conspiracy theories and idiocracy about whether 911 was payback for supporting the Afghans in the Soviet - Afghan war. No, I don't beleive the government tells us the entire story about everything, but I also beleive it's necessary to keep pandemonium from occurring. I think peoples heads would explode if they knew even a portion of what really went on in the dark recesses of the world. But overall, do I think the government has our general best interest in mind? Yes. Yes I do. Do I like Obama? No, not really. Do I think he is a Chi Com sleeper that stole the election under false pretenses and is doing his best to destroy our country? No, no I don't. Were we wrong to overthrow Hussein? Even though we went in due to incorrect info, it doesn't change the fact that he was a loose cannon that killed his own people and posed a serious threat to the stability of the region and needed to be gone. It bothers me very much that collateral damage occurs, but I also know that a lot of the civilian casualties are due to terrorists intentionally hiding among civilians, as well as how many of the civilians were truly civilians? It's not like they are wearing uniforms and waiving their hands up in the air proclaiming to be terrorists. Perhaps the fact that OBL was hiding in a huge compound less than a mile away from the "Pakistani Westpoint" should give us some insight to how committed the Pakistanis are to the efforts to truly distance themselves from terrorist organizations.

And that's more than I anticipated typing on this. Have fun with it. Tag out.

[behemoth]

Comon man, dont go just yet. You know you were having fun.

[OPBN]

Comon man, dont go just yet. You know you were having fun.

Honestly, the whole extremism these days is wearing thin for me. I am so sick of every kookaboo with a hair brained notion spewing out some nonsense that people with half a clue pick up and banter around like any of them know an iota about what they're talking about. I kind of missed the days when it wasn't ok to fly your freak flag high.

[hill160881]

And we are back to the 5th grader name calling instead of actually arguing the points at hand. That is all I get, no reasoned arguments, just insults and attacks on my patriotism. That is called semantics.

I respect your opinion and time will show the truth. Unfortunately when conspiracy theories are proven decades later by declassified documents there is no vindication, because no one is left to care.

[cockerpunk]

because no one is left to care.

bingo, so why care now?

[OPBN]

And we are back to the 5th grader name calling instead of actually arguing the points at hand. That is all I get, no reasoned arguments, just insults and attacks on my patriotism. That is called semantics.

I respect your opinion and time will show the truth. Unfortunately when conspiracy theories are proven decades later by declassified documents there is no vindication, because no one is left to care.

Again, I wasnt necessarily targeting you alone. Guessing I am hitting a little close to home though since you're taking it so personally. And I find it tiresome and silly to try and argue with conspiracy theorists ON BOTH SIDES. I liken it to trying to argue with someone about the existence of God or the Easter Bunny. It's pointless. I can't prove that a big government conspiracy doesn't exist any more that I can't prove that Bigfoot or little green aliens don't exist. That's the beauty of the fringe arguments, they can never be entirely debunked. As soon as one aspect is shown the be wrong, another pops up, and another etc. No matter what evidence is produced fringe elements aren't going to beleive it. Even if a picture of OBL'sdead body was produced, people are still going to come up with some hair brained conspiracy about how it was a body double, or photoshopped or something. It's sad, it's predictable and it's annoying. He's president. Get over it. He was the president when OBL was killed get over it. He will make policies people don't like. Get over it and get out and vote his arse out of office next election. And then watch the same crap happen from the other side. Then it'll be "he stole the election." It just never ends.

[behemoth]

I think what OPBN is saying is:

People, as a whole, whine too damn much.

[cockerpunk]

I think what OPBN is saying is:

People, as a whole, whine too damn much.

no, he is exactly correct.

think about it. even if you give them everything they ask for, they can just claim that the conspriecy is larger, deeper, and includes everyone and everything. and the sad part is, proving them wrong, only proves them more right to themselves. becuase everyone is just sheep, everyone else doesn't know what i know, everyone else is in on it and everyone elses media is in on it. why? because they all are saying the opposite of what i think. its a way to use nothing but your own internal assumption to make judgements about reality. this is why belief in conspiracy theories (while they are sometimes true) is often considered a personality defect.

its arguing with a true believer, a true believer in anything will never be proven wrong. be it god, political dogma, or timecube.

you can't prove them wrong, so why try?

i got better things to do, good beer, fast women, and even faster cars.

[KC]

Wow lots of hostility in this thread. Dare I say I partially agree with Tao, GH and Hill?

What do you consider credible?
-Architects? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b74na...1A4B03C1169C78
-Pilots? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUbVbmpblFk
-Family Members? http://rememberbuilding7.org/

Lots of people questioning the many holes, contradictions and problems in the governments official conspiracy theory. Yes the official story is also a conspiracy theory.

Going to war and dying for your country is COMPLETELY different then slamming airplanes into commercial buildings and killing innocent people. not gonna argue this........just glad he is dead

no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11." http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle13664.htm (lots of other sources available also, contact number provided)

Peace guys. No offense intended. Awareness can not grow without consideration of all possibilities.

[cockerpunk]

no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11." http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle13664.htm (lots of other sources available also, contact number provided)

Peace guys. No offense intended. Awareness can not grow without consideration of all possibilities.

hey, we got capon on tax evasion ...

and you link doesn't work

[KC]

hey, we got capon on tax evasion ...

and you link doesn't work

Fixed. Thank you.