Osama's Dead

[hill160881]

Not relevant unfortunately. If it cant be proven by a math equation or by records it is all hearsay. The math can suggest something in this case, but it does not produce an unarguable number due to the variables involved.

The insider trading is solid proof people knew ahead of time and we did not even question them on how they knew. The 911 commission claimed that it was not relevant to there investigation. There are many other examples where they cant ignore the math, but they did, and case closed.

OBL never appeared on the FBI list for the 911 attacks due to the lack of ANY evidence linking him to them, yet he is the reason we went into two countries. So cant prove he had anything to do with it legally, and we killed him for it, supposedly.

Back on topic: look into the medical records the CIA leaked out around early 2001 on OBL. That will help you see why I dont think he was alive to kill.

[SockMonkey]

Lol you guys are hysterical...

Night.

[Ando]

Insider trading occurred before and on 911 involving the specific companies most effected by the attacks, according to the FBI in the 911 report, and was never investigated.

All the evidence I needed.

What are you talking about? You going bat poo crazy on us?

Respectfully though they do not explain why the destruction of the towers, as well as building 7, mimics controlled demolitions.

Your telling me that no one found it strange that there were thousands upon thousands of wires sticking out of holes drilled into support beams when they walked in that morning, let alone running out of of the building itself?
Seriously?

It's not even phantomable to think they drilled and wired this over night. Even if they did do it over night. It would have taken an army of men to get the building setup and you really expect us to believe that NO ONE talked?

And why even do the job right? Ever ask yourself that? Just let the damn thing topple over, who cares if it was executed properly. Not like any one company has their name ridding on the project.

The picture that's shown to "look like" it was demoed was a snap shot of when the second plane hit the other tower. That my friend is called kinetic energy.

This is what the building would have looked like on pretty much every floor wired up...

...and no one would have found that odd?

"Gosh!!! Those damn telephone guys are at it again!!!"

Skip over to 00:48 sec mark for a slow motion hit of the second tower and the picture that all those naysayer keep showing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1TcJsRNeGA&feature=related

The towers fell straight down symmetrically after "burning" for an hour on a few floors.

Reason being is due to where the aircraft hit. If the aircraft slammed in the lower part of the building then it would have toppled over like everyone was expecting it to but since it hit further up, the top collapsed and caused chain reaction.

vvv Example of what would have happen if it hit further down vvv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf243Pj0S-Y&feature=relmfu

We can find many examples throughout history of buildings being set ablaze(some after airplane strikes). Many of these buildings burned for hours, some even days and some did partially collapse... yet we can not find another example of a building completely collapsing from airplane strike + fire (as is the official cause of the complete collapse of world trade center towers 1 and 2) or fire alone.

You show me where another 200 ton aircraft hit a 1350 ft, 110 story building at 500 mph and survived.

The person that built the building already said a design flaw was the reason it went down.

You guys are off your rocker to think the goverment used explosives to bring the building down. It would take months of planning and 3x that for prepping a building that size, though no one saw or said anything...

[OPBN]

You rejected the information I posted outright by your own admission and then posted links and made assumptions which had nothing to do with my post, or my point of view. I'm sorry if you can't recognize that as disrespectful, because it is.

Why should I have to sit though 45 minutes of some dude droning on about vectors and air speed or however long about tensil strength and melting points of metal from some architect with an agenda? That's another thing that annoys me. "Just listen and you'll understand". Why should I have to waste my time on this nonsense? Short of G.W. publishing a tell all book in which he outlines how he masterminded the whole thing (I always cringe when I use that term and Bush in the same breath), I am not going to beleive any conspiracy theory. I didn't have to read "Mein Kampf" to know that Hitler was a madman who ordered the extermination of millions of people and I didn't have to read the Bible to know I don't beleive in virgin births or invisible friends. No offense intended to those that happen to be religious. Why should I be required to research a bunch of drivel from paranoids and basement dwellers so that I can understand their side more clearly? I don't want to understand their side because it's nonsense.

[hill160881]

What are you talking about? You going bat poo crazy on us?

READ THE 911 REPORT. I did. Did one person here arguing this read it? NO, so you are arguing what you dont even know. Its easier to just say someone is craze instead of actually researching it yourself. What is funnier is many of the debunking theories are directly contradicted by the 911 report.

Ando you came so close to acting like a grownup, then the name calling again. How immature. Can you post something without a personal attack on my beliefs or calling me crazy. Try behaving like we were face to face.



Thanks for the link proving what some of us have been saying all along.
It stays in one piece and does not crumble into little pieces
The laws of motion worked here why not on 911.
Why no pancaking? It just falls over due to ASYMMETRICAL DAMAGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf243Pj0S-Y&feature=relmfu

[cockerpunk]

good beer, fast women, and faster cars ....

true believers will never be convinced ando, seriously. i love destroying poeples hopes and dreams (and paranoid dillusions) as much as the next guy, but this is a fight you can't win. the conspriacy will always be bigger, grander, and more complex. becuase ultimatly, they are appologetics, and you can't convince an appolgetic of anything.

[OPBN]

I can't imagine living in a world where I seriously thought the government colluded to kill 3k+ of it's own people in order to progress some sinister agenda. It must be frightening. You have my sympathies.

[hill160881]

Cockerpunk
Tell that to a Vietnam vets that watched there friends die, in a war started by our government WITH A LIE.

Cockerpunc needs to join up to get a clue. Its about the troops we send off to die in a war based on lies Unless you think using our troops that way is fine, in which case you dont have any respect for them.

I will laugh it up in a few years after the government stages another false flag event, and draws us into a war with Pakistan or Syria.


OPBN

Then read history for hundreds of examples of ours and other governments doing exactly what you say you cant immagine them doing.
Unless you think we got all the bad men in the world and now we can live in paradise.

Remember Mow, Hittler, Stallin...... Yep together racked up 100+ million of there own people killed. Those who dont learn from history are bound to repeat it, or be crushed by it.

[Spider-TW]

This is what the building would have looked like on pretty much every floor wired up...

...and no one would have found that odd?

"Gosh!!! Those damn telephone guys are at it again!!!"

Actually, that looks a whole lot like the IT guys.

I completely distrust anything "current" from Popular Mechanics/Science.

I'm not big on conspiracies, but say "motor on" to those that are. Digging for the facts keeps the real conspirators "honest". However, no amount of engineering could ever predict how a well used and abused (by previous bombing) building would react to a jet liner crash. I have to kick that idea.

The second Iraq war was hand-in-hand with the first. The first was unfinished because of all the need for being "done". There's nothing clean and easy in any war, much less the middle east. Saddam and Osama had the same problem in that they ran around with real power promising to kill you.

I will be disappointed in any high level of detail revealed in that operation any time soon. If you don't like that secrecy, then you have to consider getting rid of spec ops altogether. Personally, I like having them.

And there's nothing wrong with having a deep belief in women, cars, and beer.

[cockerpunk]

Cockerpunk
Tell that to a Vietnam vets that watched there friends die, in a war started by our government WITH A LIE.

Cockerpunc needs to join up to get a clue. Its about the troops we send off to die in a war based on lies Unless you think using our troops that way is fine, in which case you dont have any respect for them.

I will laugh it up in a few years after the government stages another false flag event, and draws us into a war with Pakistan or Syria.

ah, so then the obvious idications that 9/11 had nothing to do with iraq or saddam wasn't enough? cuase we had the very proof that saddam and AQ were not working together in our hands, and it was widly known EXCEPT THERE WERE CONSPRIACY THEORISTS WHO DISAGREED.

i am certianly not for sending troops off to die based on a lie, how you got that inditication from anything i posted is absurd.

[hill160881]

The funniest part is that, "we the people" do not trust anything our politicians say. They are known for lying to get what they want. It is part of American politics to read between the lines.

Then we trust without a shadow of a doubt what those same politicians say in regards to this topic. So we dont trust them as far as we can throw them normally, but we believe this one. Why?

[hill160881]

ah, so then the obvious idications that 9/11 had nothing to do with iraq or saddam wasn't enough? cuase we had the very proof that saddam and AQ were not working together in our hands, and it was widly known EXCEPT THERE WERE CONSPRIACY THEORISTS WHO DISAGREED.

i am certianly not for sending troops off to die based on a lie, how you got that inditication from anything i posted is absurd.

Sorry if I made the wrong conclusion

We had no evidence that Afghanistan did either. As proven by OBL never officially being wanted in connection to the 911 attacks. There was no evidence for the FBI to justify it with. So if the FBI cant prove it enough to arrest him for it, how do we prove Afghanistan did either, and justify the invasion. So why did we invade Afghanistan and Iraq? Was it the WMDs, no. O right, the financial records the 911 commission did not investigate. oops. What reason did we do it? Are you safer now? No. Did you loose any of your freedoms? yes.

This was played out in the media on emotion, not evidence.

[OPBN]

You know they're totally watching this thread. I'd start preparing the bunker if I was you.

[hill160881]

You know they're totally watching this thread. I'd start preparing the bunker if I was you.

Not worried

[cockerpunk]

Sorry if I made the wrong conclusion

We had no evidence that Afghanistan did either. As proven by OBL never officially being wanted in connection to the 911 attacks. There was no evidence for the FBI to justify it with. So if the FBI cant prove it enough to arrest him for it, how do we prove Afghanistan did either, and justify the invasion. So why did we invade Afghanistan and Iraq? Was it the WMDs, no. O right, the financial records the 911 commission did not investigate. oops. What reason did we do it? Are you safer now? No. Did you loose any of your freedoms? yes.

This was played out in the media on emotion, not evidence.

we arn't at war with afganistan.