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HPDE's do not make you a better driver in anything outside of HPDE's. It's not an investment, its one way to play with a car. Just like there's speedball and woodsball.
There are a lot of ways to enjoy a car. Stop making it sound like unless you're gutting your interior and setting your suspension to be unbearable on normal roads so you can go around the track every weekend your not fully enjoying your car. What you enjoy is not the same as everyone else.Comment
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Boo hit the nail on the head. I've personally got 3 bikes. One is a relatively stock hyabusa performance wise. I own it for me and the wife and commuting. It's big and heavy. Corners OK. Not great. And is lacking in power for my taste. Can I drag knee on it..and do? Yes. Can I outride almost all the local in the corners on it? Yes. But its not my first choice for that.
My gsxr600 is my play bike that I wear full leathers with and go out dragging knee with all my non local roadraces buddies. Although my 6 has the least power its lots of fun and handles well. In curves I'll wax all the locals with bigger bikes. Some of that is ability. Some is the lightness and flickability of the bike.
Then we have my 64" log wagon drag bike. It started life as gsxr1000. Now it's anything but. I need a football field to turn it around. Bars don't turn. It sits on the ground. Plastic seat. Rigid suspension. And 200+ HP without turbo or a bottle. It's fun on the street in a strait line. But that's about it. Yet I always enjoy riding it and it always puts a smile on my face simply because of all my time and hard work in it. And the looks it gets out on the street.
Also with my 6 at the dragstrip I can outrun pretty much all the wannabees with big bikes because I know how to race and they really don't.
In the end though. If you personally enjoy a certain car or bike then great. Who cares what stats it has. If you have always lusted after a 80s VW rabbit. Then more power to you. That also goes for the people that collect and don't really use. Some collect paint ball guns. Yet don't really play anymore. Who is to say what one is supposed to do with anything.Comment
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the point and purpose of an HPDE is to get your car to the edge of control, possibly even past it, for as long and hard as possible.
this, BY DEFINITION, makes you a better driver. you have more experience with cars at, and beyond the limit of grip. this is not really possible on the street. i've spun my mr2 probably 40 times over the last 3 years. i've spun my 944 at least 30 times, and just today, i spun my miata 4 times, and have easily spun that car 100 times. ALL under controlled and safe conditions. and its because im pushing to a level of driving that you simply never risk on the street, because the cost of spinning is thousands of dollars, and possibly your life. so its not really possible to push a car to its limits and beyond reliably, on the street.
i didn't say you need to gut your car, or make your suspension unbearable, in fact, i've advocated for the exact opposite. why does everyone think you need to buy things in order to have fun in cars? in fact the best advice is LEAVE YOUR CAR STOCK, and do a few events before you decide what it needs. and i do fully think that if you have a car, and you do not track it, then you are not enjoying it to its fullest. like buying a great paintball gun, and only ever shooting it in your backyard. its a tragedy to me to see amazing builds sit in parking lots with the hood up, and the only extreme driving they see is a little burnout out of the car show. just sad ...
anyway, i spent today up on the lake:
car needs an oil cooler, just about cooked the oil on a few long sessions of hot lapping. smoking evos and STIs on the ice though is just too much fun.Last edited by cockerpunk; 02-07-2016, 06:24 PM."because every vengeful cop with a lesbian daughter, is having a bad day, and looking for someone to blame"Comment
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when i instruct at the track, after the first session, new drivers almost always ask me "what do you think i should upgrade next?"
and i tell them, buy tires and seat time. 99% of the time you dont need to touch the car, the limiting factor in performance, is the driver, not the car.
same thing in paintball right? new players who want to upgrade everything after the first time playing ... you tell them same thing, entry and paint, just keep on actually playing, your gun isnt holding you back, you are holding yourself back.
im confused why such a simple statement gets so many folks up in arms. esp from presumably paintball players, paintball is exactly the same ..."because every vengeful cop with a lesbian daughter, is having a bad day, and looking for someone to blame"Comment
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Really, the point of a car is DRIVING it. That is WHAT CP is saying. To me, 800 HP is great. But when you cant use 90% of it...ehhh. Not that I disagree with building a car such as this, I would spend my $$ in other ways. Id don't see CP as pushing his way on you, or any of us. But I tend to agree with him on this.Comment
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It is not vetting up or passed the edge, its controlling the vehicle right up to that point. Loosing control isnever what you want. That is why you improve the suspension to be more planted, better tires to have traction, a better drivetrain to handle more horse power.
Running road courses or circle tracks does mean skill, yet running an all out in an off road race or rally racing, or endurance racing. It is all different disciplines, where one is not any better or worse than any other. We all have preferences to what we enjoy to watch and do. Whether it is tractor pulls for the shead horsepower, drag racing for the fastest 4secs, motoGP for the big air, Formula 1 for the names, or Nascar the repetition and many others not mentioned.
What you think does not mean the end all. Why do you think so many famous drivers switch to different series(Parnelli Jones, AJ Foyt, Mario Andretti).Comment
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i agree fully.
thats why i keep it as general as possible, ice racing, rally cross, track driving, autocross, go karting, motorcycle tracking etc ... thats what HPDE means, high performance driving event. you name it. they are all slightly different, but you can bet that anyone good at any one of those, isn't gonna be bad at any of the others ones, and will be better than a pure street only driver every single time. every time.
because, they have experience driving at and beyond the limit. and thats what matter when driving fast, having the experience, the seat time, and the instructor time, of actually driving flat out, full speed. you basically cannot do this on the street.Last edited by cockerpunk; 02-07-2016, 06:53 PM."because every vengeful cop with a lesbian daughter, is having a bad day, and looking for someone to blame"Comment
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Maybe you can't handle 90% of it. I use all 100% every single time I drive the car.
And for CP, your comparison between paintball and driving at HPDE is lacking. Shooting in the backyard is more equivalent to doing a burnout. Driving everyday on the street is the same as playing in a game. HPDE would be more equally related to playing speedball only.
HPDE certainly helps you learn specific skills, there is no denying that. But it's not the end all be all. It's your thing. We get it. Speedball isn't everyone's thing.Comment
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if in your comparison you are saying that woodsball requires less skill or something silly like that, then it would make sense. but thats ridiculous.
the skills you learn in HPDEs are simply driving skills. you learn to drive better at them. unless you think driving well within the limits of grip is driving, or fun. lol.
street driving isn't like playing a game of paintball, is like sitting in the backyard with your buddies shooting bottles with your paintball gun."because every vengeful cop with a lesbian daughter, is having a bad day, and looking for someone to blame"Comment
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Dude. Enough. No one cares about your HPDE events. You love them. Awesome!
This thread is about FAST cars. None of your cars are what I would consider fast. Quick, yes. Fast, no. Feel free to see yourself out.Comment
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"because every vengeful cop with a lesbian daughter, is having a bad day, and looking for someone to blame"Comment
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This just proves what you know about racing. If you put a fast car that isn't necessarily quick in a quick car sport, it will likely get beaten. Just because you beat a fast car in your specific event, does not mean your car is fast.
Since I have to spell it out for you, a fast car is determined by its trap speed. Unless you're trapping over 130 mph, which none of your cars do, then I would not consider it fast.Comment
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