Everything You Know About Star Wars Is Wrong...

[Havoc_online]

Ha...

I AM a Jedi(I always use the force to guide my paintballs)

Grand-Admiral Thrawn - gotta love him, but as that guy said, he was only basing his comments on the movies.

[Timmee]

Originally posted by RATM


Now does that not touch close to home. Does the word African American mean anything to you? And in regard to the post above stating they built the death star which could destroy a whole planet and that adds to the fact they are evil. We basically have done the same thing with nukes. Also, to the person who wanted to argue that there were supporters of the Empire on Alderaan, what about our current situation in Afghanistan. In liberating the people we've killed innocent bystanders who have supported us. After all, you must crack a few eggs to make an omelet. I've always liked the Empire(the look of the stormtroopers being my favorite thing) but this article has made a lot of sense and I totally agree with the guy.

Actually, the words African American do mean something. Slavery is evil, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Also, could destroy a whole planet? Try it did destroy a whole planet. They were also going to destroy Endor (with an entire legion of the Emporers finest troops on it). And it's a completely different situation than Afghanistan. We've ACCIDENTALLY killed innocent bystanders in Afghanistan, the Empire didn't care if they killed loyal imperials.

[Havoc_online]

Also, could destroy a whole planet? Try it did destroy a whole planet. They were also going to destroy Endor (with an entire legion of the Emporers finest troops on it). And it's a completely different situation than Afghanistan. We've ACCIDENTALLY killed innocent bystanders in Afghanistan, the Empire didn't care if they killed loyal imperials.

They were never going to destroy Endor, that's where the sheild generator was. I think you mean Yavin 4, that's where the rebel base was, there were no imperial troops there.

[Timmee]

In the book based on the movie RoTJ, the Emporer told the commander of the station, if the sheild failed, to destroy Endor. That's what I'm going by. Oh, and I almost forgot about Yavin 4, thanks for the reminder.

[Havoc_online]

I've read most of the book trilogy's also but for argument sake that guy was only talking about the movies themselves.

Oh, and I almost forgot about Yavin 4, thanks for the reminder.

n/p

[Timmee]

When he said novels, I thought he meant the expanded universe. NP though. I still stick by my opinion though.

[Havoc_online]

Believe me, I know the Empire is evil, but the case he made from the points of the movies alone, he does have an arguement


you rebel scum... lol I love that line

[FatMan]

Sheesh - if you guy are gong to argue this stuff I would think you would at least become famillar with the subject.

The Old Republic extends back a couple thousand years before SW Episode I. In Expisde III or there abouts it will give way to the Empire - when Palpatine abuses the power granted to him in Episode II and makes himself emperor. In Episode IV he will abolish the Senate (when continues into the Empire, though has very little power after giving it all to him). About 2-3 years after Episode VI the Rebel Alliance will take Coruscant from the remains of the Empire (at that point run by Isard, Palpatine's chief of security) and will set up a new Glactic Government - the NEW Republic with a new Senate. The Empire continues and keeps fighting the New Republic for 10 years or more before finally settling for peace and a small section of the Galaxy. At this point they are run by various warlords left over from Palpatine's command structure.

The Old Republic was good, but worn out and corrupt and ineffective. Thus it led to the Empire, that seemed good at first, restoring order to the galaxy, until Palpatine's abuses showed it to be evil. The New Republic was also good though they certainly had their problems - infighting, corruption, and so on.

So, in summary:

Old Republic - good, but wearing out
Empire - evil
New Republic - good with expected growing pains

As for this guy's article - he's got to write about SOMETHING so I can't fault him too bad, but his understanding of politics is poor - and his knowledge of Star Wars is thin.

FatMan

[wyn1370]

You could twist either side to be right, "from a certain point of view"

[Havoc_online]

Sheesh - if you guy are gong to argue this stuff I would think you would at least become famillar with the subject.

Dude, you need to calm down and slow your roll. If you had paid attention you would of known that everything that happened in the books does not apply to this debate for the reason that that guys complete statement was based soley on the movies and not the books. We all have knowledge of before and after and between all the episodes but I don't think we're out to show it off. Everything you said that did make sense and could be gathered from the movies alone has already been said.

[Shaft]

Wasn't the collapse of the Old Republic hastened by the corruption of the Trade Federation and Palpatine?
I always thought that Palpatine was using the Trade Federation as a pawn to create unrest via trade embargos and stuff like that.
This helped create unrest in the senate and cause galaxies to bail. This continued weakening of the Old Republic snowballed into what eventually becomes its demise and then allows for the rise of the Empire.
I like this theory. I'm a GENIOUS!!!

[Timmee]

Actually, Ysanne Isard was director of Imperial Intelligence. She took command from her father, Armand Isard, who was executed for supposedly having Rebel sympathies (FYI, it was Ysanne Isard who created that lie).

Not that this info has any bearing on the debate at hand.

[Havoc_online]

This helped create unrest in the senate and cause galaxies to bail

galaxies or star systems? heehee there wasnt too many galaxies in star wars.

[Shaft]

Originally posted by Havoc_online


galaxies or star systems? heehee there wasnt too many galaxies in star wars.

Ok... yeah star systems too. [as I scribble things to do in Texas: Eat at Salt Lick then go beat up Havoc....]

[FatMan]

Originally posted by Havoc_online


Dude, you need to calm down and slow your roll. If you had paid attention you would of known that everything that happened in the books does not apply to this debate for the reason that that guys complete statement was based soley on the movies and not the books.

Oh, I saw that - it's also BS! Let's argue about whether Hitler was good or evil based on 5 newsreals taken from 5 different points in history. He took power in Germany pretty much the same way Palpatine is shown taking power in SW.

I read what the guy said, he's just making an argument for the sake of making it and choosing to ignore what is obvious. His explicit denial of what is in the novels only makes that clearer.

The article is drivel!

FatMan